[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

[Mercenary]

@Mercenary

I don’t think Merc did this very well, which is why I didn’t bother responding to her. I just have nothing to respond with. I don’t think she has any good arguments that would convince me

Anyway I just noticed now
This feels off
as if Vulgard was already 100% sure of me being mafia

[Firekitten]

@MaximusPrime why did you vote JGOES?

[JakeTheWolfie]

I feel like I’m not going to survive past this day. How is it that I always end up dying before the game ends as town?

[Firekitten]

Another question, why did you iso people in your second post did you do it hoping to be town read?

[JakeTheWolfie]

This feels like a loaded question. Of course I would do it to be town read. Everyone wants to be town read. Why does wanting to be town read make someone scummy?

[Firekitten]

Did you actually have any intention on clearing people based off your ISO?

[Firekitten]

Like

I don’t know how to describe it

Your Iso took a lot of work

but just is the wrong places

that’s pretty much what I felt

[JakeTheWolfie]

My intent was to read everyone and give as much content as I could. I don’t care if it is internally consistent. If I say “X is reasonable” that doesn’t mean I agree with X.

[Marshal]

@Mercenary

I don’t think Merc did this very well, which is why I didn’t bother responding to her. I just have nothing to respond with. I don’t think she has any good arguments that would convince me

Wow.

You and me both kiddo.

[Geyde]

@Mercenary

@Luxy

we think Merc has a very good chance of flipping scum from associations with PKR alone.

Which “associations”? The entire discussion on PKRiestess reduced my WiM so madly I couldn’t bear it and instead replied to players who weren’t interested on that as well.

@Luxy

Doesn’t actually make a read on Jake just encourages him, which could be scum encouraging their scumbuddy to get into thread and help them. However, wouldn’t Priestess just say this in scumchat?

How was Jake reading PKRiestess at the time?

@Luxy

If you jump to this quote in context, you can see Mercenary, and Firekitten, ganging up on Marshal to tell him his reads are bad. Guess who else did that to us this game? Priestess.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Hitler_Built_Autobahns

This is what you are doing

@Luxy

these two making Marshal effectively useless help them (if he falls for it).

His arguments ARE objectively bad. Just ISO him.

@Luxy

Mercenary did these exact pre-flip associations and chain-mislynch setting up in JOAT9 as scum

Mercenary did these exact pre-flip associations and chain-mislynch setting up in JOAT9 as scum. Guess who else did that to us this game? You.

I’m not accusing you in any sense, I’m just showing how your HBA was objectively bad and how this point is as well. You are accusing me of something you are doing yourself.

@Luxy

As we called out Priestess for yesterday for bringing the thread back to Marshal v Jgoes for two mislynches, this is particularly condemning.

I only read the most recent posts and whatever pings me in my notifications table. I open the thread, I see comment, I comment about it if I’m feeling like it.

@Luxy

The fact that we disagree with most of her scumreads is also pretty polarising, and makes us think shes faking her reads. If she was town, we believe she would be on a much more similar wavelength than us, rather than having a PoE of almost everyone we townread besides Jake and Maxwell.

Lmao I’m scum for not sheeping.

@Luxy

Notice how she says ‘should be’ which allows her to backtrack on this PoE if the need arises by saying she wasn’t sure.

Yes, I said should be because I’m not an all-targeting cop and more than half of this PoE are composed of nulls.

@Luxy

Geyde noted that Merc has been stopping as many people from being cleared as she possibly can

I cleared two people no one was interested in clearing today.

@Luxy

Additionally, her refusal to look back and reevaluate her reads besides DatBird

AND SIMON.
You + poisonedvulgard are only accusing me of Dat and completely ignoring how I’m on Simon. Cherrypicking should be convenient.

@Luxy

Additionally, her refusal to look back and reevaluate her reads besides DatBird suggests a rigid mindset indicative of a member of the mafia.

No, that’s lack of time because it is infeasible for me to ISO everyone again each day with my schedule.

@Luxy

Lots of IIoA here, and attempts to stop townclears.

It is future reference. I’m tracking progression.

@Luxy

First Merc completely forgots to put Priestess in her readlist

I also forgot to put Marshal today, if it is somehow indicative to you.

@Luxy

and then suddenly she’s at the same level of townread as us! Isn’t that convenient?

It was before the PKRiestess time (where I decided to wash my hands on them), where PKRiestess was relatively townread. I thought she was townie here because of her activity and proactivity.

@Luxy

I don’t really see any progression for this TR on Priestess either,

“I’m not posting it all to save space on the thread, if you want to know something just ask me about it”

@Luxy

Despite townreading us, she definitely likes to throw shade on us when we started pushing on Priestess.

You are slightly town to null, and that’s because you pushed a hydra that was easy to bus anyway. You aren’t townread.

@Luxy

of any actual responsibility to make a conclusion on ourselves.

No one was making a serious conclusion on you instead of “townread because of effort”. I fail to see how is that AI.

@Luxy

She also conveniently ignores Geyde’s push on her, so she doesn’t have to defend herself.

I thought it was an obvious reaction test as he did with me yesterday because I’m not doing that at all.

@Mercenary

Luxy’s wall uses so many fallacies and ignore so many points on me I’m not taking it seriously anymore.
Either this is a coordinated push by both Poisoned/Vulgard and them (they have the exact same point on DatBird whilst completely ignoring my read on Simon for unknown motives) or LuxyGey are blind by confirmation bias. Anyway in the next post or so I should have a formed opinion on this hydra but I’m not thinking it is good-aligned already.
VCA is easy to fake that early on the game because most of it is inductive, so their post is more worldbuilding than anything.
I’m not inherently accusing Poisoned/Vulgard here, they are just associative. If Luxy manages to be scum, P/V also likely are. P/V remains null until otherwise noted.

@Luxy

Town :
Nerbins
Simon

Simon is obvtown off of their vote
I don’t think Simon is actually able to be pushed. TR on them is completely logical from both povs

@Luxy

Mercenary did these exact pre-flip associations and chain-mislynch setting up in JOAT9 as scum. As we called out Priestess for yesterday for bringing the thread back to Marshal v Jgoes for two mislynches, this is particularly condemning.

@Luxy

Not once does Mercenary consider Jgoes may be town, this is textbook agenda pushing.

@Luxy

Geyde pointed out that her saying there is at least one scum in her PoE is a perspective slip.

Perspective slip is still a perspective slip no matter how you spin it as ‘I could be wrong’
Of course a grouping of 6/16 players that have reasonable scum equity in your mind would have at least one scum in them.

Like
Your slot is going to be lynched because it’s in our PoE and you have reasonable scum equity given your interactions with a flipped scum.

You’re trying to discredit us rather than actually correct our perspective
You’re the one building worlds without flips

[Mercenary]

@Geyde

You’re trying to discredit us rather than actually correct our perspective

I can’t correct it if it is built on fallacies. Pretty simple. No matter what I say you will call me scum here, so I must as well ignore it and talk to the remaining players about more important matters.

[Geyde]

But you didn’t ignore it
You built worlds off of it

[Mercenary]

I’m ignoring the content of the post to summarize it on a geral assumption that it is unvalid.

[Geyde]

So you’re discrediting us rather than trying to read us

[Firekitten]

@Marshal when did you vote PKR?

[Mercenary]

Both. I already said why I don’t see logic on this argument. It is a complicated matrix made to sound intellectual but in reality just made to push people.

[Firekitten]

Legit I think the way to solve is to find out when people voted where

That’s something that’s missing in VCA here and if we have it, it becomes a lot easier to solve people based on when they did it

[Firekitten]

Like marshal seems wish washy on who he wanted to vote for end of day however he’s the third last vote on priestess, which means two other people voted right after him. That does mean he wasn’t talking with his partners on when to vote where, and it indicates they weren’t planning on acfually trying to save priestess even though they were suggesting CFDS.

[Geyde]

@Mercenary

Both. I already said why I don’t see logic on this argument. It is a complicated matrix made to sound intellectual but in reality just made to push people

And you’re doing the same thing that you say we are doing to you in this post itself

Merc
The reason I’m interacting with you in the first place is to understand your perspective. But I don’t see a solving perspective now, and am continuing not to see a solving perspective. You’re effectively putting everything we said in the dumpster just cuz

Why do you think that the Priestess wagon is not pure enough to consider my slot potential scum in the first place?
Why do you think that, beyond an individual level, Dat is town?

I don’t get your headspace, because everything that you’ve posted so far in response to my posts has been attempts to make my slot out to be an idiot by stapling ‘fallacy’ onto it.
The people I townread, you scumread.
The people I scumread, you townread.

You disagree with everything my slot believes.

And I want to understand the why
Because I don’t get that when I read your posts

What I do see is someone that is trying to outspeak my slot

[Mercenary]

@firekitten

egit I think the way to solve is to find out when people voted where

I alsop thought so, so I attempted to track when people made the reads pertaining to their votes (that’s why it was full of IIoA shit). However I didn’t find anything useful — all reads had a progression in a timely manner.