[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

[Mercenary]

I’m going to rebuild my termometer because reanalyzing there I don’t think that voting in the thread is a townslip
It is simply because people didn’t read the thread
I jumped in too eagerly based on sand, again. That should be my greater problem as town, actually. I polarize people too much because of trivial stuff

@Arete

This might just be the TMI I had that game talking but it was really obvious FMPOV in LotR that Vul was pushing an agenda hard, and I don’t see that from him here – his solving attempts feel much more legitimate and natural, rather than LotR where he was forcing himself to come to whatever conclusions helped us.

Mercenary:

@Arete

He tryhards way more as scum. I honestly hate this meta because it means we end up townreading him for not trying, but basically as scum he’ll do things like e.g. Isoing people and making serious concentrated pushes and things like that, whereas as town he kind of just spends half the thread making low-effort posts.

@Mercenary

Anyway I think we guys are relying too much on meta in a game made for people to try to do better than their usual metas (if they are self-hurting ones, specially, like the people really easily scumread like last year Hja when they roll scum). Exception here for the NAI ones like Simon mechanics solving and Priestess jumping in front of newbies.

I believe those reads are too polarized for small stuff as well. Unless I read them wrong and it is only normalreads and not ULTRALOCKREADS

@Arete

Marshal’s been pushing the Jgoes-as-L2 narrative; he hasn’t had a scumgame (apart from one game as true neut neutral and a turbo) but from what I’ve seen of his towngames I don’t really have reason to expect him to be a L2 wolf.

Yep, I let myself get carried here since I don’t know Jgoes well. It is good to see another perspective.

@Arete

The one I outlined in that sentence – basically, instead of focusing overly much on scumhunting (though obviously, you still do that some), you townhunt, make a towncore, and then lynch outside the towncore.

@Arete

‘make a towncore, don’t put town in the towncore, lynch outside the towncore’

confused Merc noises
But yeah, since Alice commented on making towncored PyMM I have been trying to do that on this thread

@Arete

Jgoes wasn’t in the JoaT9 game (also it’s ongoing so we should probably stop talking about it).

alright I’ll stop
confused him with James I think
so I don’t think I have played with Jgoes at all. Maybe PyMM but it was so short I barely remember it

@Arete

Quoting this rather than your wall because I don’t want to break the quote. Can you elaborate more on some of these? I’m specifically seeing Maxi and Vul/Squid as the ones that stick out most. I’m also curious about you putting Marshal and Jgoes in the same high tier – can you tell me more about how you’re reading that interaction?

They are slightly townread, it looks as if they were high because most people are null (the people on the giant block) since I don’t have foccused on them in particular.
I’m trying to go slower on that game and making few strong reads rather than a lot of shitty ones, so I plan on getting the nulls later.
Marshal is literally only gut town, Jgoes because of his L1ness confidence.

@Marshal

I’d call him a L2 and he is acting like a scummy l2

A scummy L2 and a townish L1
Anyway guys make your mind.
If he is L1 he is town for me, if he is L2 he is scum as he fell for the same pittrap I did on the game we aren’t allowed to discuss because it is ongoing.

[Simon]

@Jane

I’d prefer if he didn’t try to solve this mechanically, or at least give some reads, since I’m not going to clear anyone based on one post.

ive been giving reads as i get them. i honestly dont have any reads atm besides what ive said. i know in theory how people get more reads but im bad in practice

@astand

You even said it wasn’t AI that he softed, so I don’t get your point at all.

uhm no. thats not what i said at all. he claimed (not softed) that he was a pr, and i was saying that i was wary. i said its not AI on its own but it can influence and affect other info which is AI
and yeah it was the 20 posts thing. i think it felt weird that a town would have that as i kinda know how the whole post-restriction thing works now, i think, and at the time i had different ideas, but not enough evidence for those ideas to actually call him on them. 20 post limit is still weird imo, but fine enough to leave it.
yes this is also sprawling. because i talk into the keyboard when i type, essentially. so its basically a stream-of-consciousness kinda thing.

@astand

Same for Nerbins, can you rephrase your suspicion on him?

mainly the one scummy post. i wrote it as i was figuring out my own suspicion. it kinda develops through the post. theres no definite reason within there that i could point out for why hes scummy to me, just feelings and intuitions for the most part.

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@Alice, whats your pr? this is important, dont skimp out on me.

[Nerbins]

You know what I’ma give him a quick ping maybe he forgot to set it to watching too
@Kirefitten

[Arete]

@Marshal

I’d call him a L2 and he is acting like a scummy l2

Disagree with your reasoning as expressed in your previous posts. Like, you’re basically accusing him of having an overly narrow look on the game and tunneling you just to look productive, right, if I’m reading your quotes from Klopps’s guide correctly – but he has four posts total, so concluding that his look on the game is excessively narrow (particularly when those posts aren’t even all about you) is kind of premature. If anything, your overfocusing on Jgoes is displaying a narrow look on the game, seeing as you’re still focusing on his read on you.

@Nerbins

Quick question has FK not posted a single time today?

He has not, though his hydra partner (Katze) has.

@Mercenary

confused Merc noises

…I’m dumb. Don’t put scum in the towncore.

Also, reversing my previous read on Merc; her focus here on townhunting is a good look for her as when she’s scum she’s far more likely to just shadethrow at everyone else in the game, which is pretty much the exact opposite of what she’s doing here.

[Mercenary]

@Mercenary

I’m going to rebuild my termometer because reanalyzing there I don’t think that voting in the thread is a townslip

that thing will change a lot based on it is day 1. I love discussing on Day 1 but

Summary

Town
Shurian
Astand

MaximusPrime
Arete

Marshal
Jgoes/Mist1522

Luxy/Geyde
Arete/Disquieted
PKR/Priestess
Simon

SirDerpsALot
Maxwell
Jake/Alice
Vulgard/Squid
DatBird
Katze/Firekitten

Kai
Nerbins
Scum

@Arete

…I’m dumb. Don’t put scum in the towncore.

You’ve reached the maximum number of likes. Please wait 4 minutes before trying again.
!remindme like Arete’s post in 4 minutes
or someone likes it for me, that would do

[Marshal]

@Arete

he has four posts total , so concluding that his look on the game is excessively narrow (particularly when those posts aren’t even all about you) is kind of premature

I think you shutting down early sucmreads is also not great.

he has 4 posts, but those are conten-heavy posts filled with content i dont like.

[Mercenary]

Yeah, early reads are kinda wishywashy anyway since you don’t have much to base yourself on
Also, for this game 4 posts are stuff since everyone is posting less but putting more content on their posts (but you because you are you). I don’t think Arete is guilty here tho because in the view of a person who arrived later in the game things made before can look like as if they were stupid.

Anyway, I’m townreading Arete and Maxi (still) because they are bringing good discussion and new content to the thread, analyzing players others haven’t before.

[Nerbins]

You know what if it’ll net me more credibility I’ll ISO everyone who’s posted when I have the chance

[Arete]

@Marshal

I think you shutting down early sucmreads is also not great.

he has 4 posts, but those are conten-heavy posts filled with content i dont like.

I’m not trying to shut down any form of early scumread whatsoever, I’m saying that your specific reasoning in this case is flawed. In particular, you’re scumreading him for an overly narrow focus, but since, you know, he literally has four posts total, it’s not surprising that those posts are mostly focused on one thing.

Also not a fan of how Marshal keeps OMGUSing people who scumread him even if he does it as town too.

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@Mercenary

They are slightly townread, it looks as if they were high because most people are null (the people on the giant block) since I don’t have foccused on them in particular.
I’m trying to go slower on that game and making few strong reads rather than a lot of shitty ones, so I plan on getting the nulls later.
Marshal is literally only gut town, Jgoes because of his L1ness confidence.

I still want more details on how you’re looking at that interaction. Are you seeing it as TvT, and if so why?

[Marshal]

jake has been typing for a solid 30 minutes.

Be prepared for the mega wallpost of jake

[Mercenary]

@Nerbins

You know what if it’ll net me more credibility I’ll ISO everyone who’s posted when I have the chance

I didn’t understand this phrase. What do you mean with that?

@Arete

even if he does it as town too .

meirl

@Arete

Also not a fan of how Marshal keeps OMGUSing people who scumread him

I didn’t notice Marshal was doing that because MEBLIND. I’ll pay attention to that in the future.

@Arete

I still want more details on how you’re looking at that interaction. Are you seeing it as TvT, and if so why?

It depends on how experienced Jgoes is.
If he is L1, I say it is a T/??? because Jgoes shows typical townish confidence even if he ends expressing himself poorly because newbie town often tunnelvision.
If he is L2, I think that he is being either a solo wolf or a bus target (less likely since of how vivid that interaction was), because the confidence trait in L2s is typical of scum who have trouble faking emotions, and thus usually fake anger and end up tunneling as mafia instead of the mafia L1 profile to sit back and not progress the game at all. I believe it points to “solo wolf” because the attack wasn’t followed by anyone and everyone afterwards scumread Jgoes for it.

I’m not very confident on Marshal. He was just a townlean because I have got a weak spot for mindmelds. I should move him to neutral on the summary list.

@Marshal

Be prepared for the mega wallpost of jake

> wallpost
> Jake
I FEAR IT.

[SirDerpsAlot]

My town meta is kinda exist and fluff untill I get a scum read then death tunnel and get scumread for said correct tunnel

[SirDerpsAlot]

Iv also noticed my effort generally has to do with when d1 starts and I generally try less if it started at a bad time

[MaximusPrime]

kai’s being oddly unhelpful, but after rereading the nerbins/simon thing, i believe that it is a TvW or a TvT rn because i don’t think they’d both be on the same scumteam
can’t make a more accurate read until nerbins posts more but i think this is the easiest one to solve rn

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@Mercenary

Town
MaximusPrime
Shurian
Astand

ok so you place me at the top bc of astand’s n0 peek but shouldn’t you put astand as #1 or #2 instead of #3 because if you believe astand’s peek then they should also be town

do agree that @Ami should have less of the “fuck everything” attitude tho, because it’s not helpful and only derails like eevee in marson

@Geyde

Arete bad. Only appealing to players with their wallposts, not solving.
Mercenary bad. Pushing the agenda that Marshal/Jgoes must exist and that we must lynch in them.

gotta reread for this, didn’t really pay attention to them tbh (feel like this post isn’t receiving the recognition it deserves tho)
also, can you explain why or do you have a character limit too, cause i feel like that’s something eevee would do after seeing luxy’s massive wallpost and ur pro reading skills
i do think that marsh/jgoes would be good to solve but nerb/simon should be easier to solve and we should try to focus on this first
besides, if we do lynch one of nerb/simon, it gives them a chance to clear themselves and for us to gain more info

@Arete

Marshal’s been pushing the Jgoes-as-L2 narrative; he hasn’t had a scumgame (apart from one game as true neut neutral and a turbo) but from what I’ve seen of his towngames I don’t really have reason to expect him to be a L2 wolf.

i agree with this, mainly bc i’ve never seen their scum game and i’m pretty sure they’re still a somewhat newish as town
i think marsh said that he is putting him at l-2 wolf bc of his confidence, assuming he is scum tho

@Arete

Can you elaborate more on some of these? I’m specifically seeing Maxi and Vul/Squid as the ones that stick out most.

i agree with this but not the reasoning (i think)
she put me there bc of the n0 peek claim but if she believes the peek then shouldn’t she put astand higher or just as high? dunno, just feels wrong to me

not too sure about sqiud atm tbh
all i remember is them posting that they were nervous bc of the pressure and that’s it (?)
however, i do have a slight townlead on vulgard bc his posts seem to meld into the background more whereas i think a scum vulgard would try to powerwolf more like in lotrfm and make his presence known

[Geyde]

@MaximusPrime

also, can you explain why or do you have a character limit too, cause i feel like that’s something eevee would do after seeing luxy’s massive wallpost and ur pro reading skills

Trying to read all of these wallposts completely drained my WiM

[Marshal]

@MaximusPrime

ok so you place me at the top bc of astand’s n0 peek but shouldn’t you put astand as #1 or #2 instead of #3 because if you believe astand’s peek then they should also be town

actually you should be above astand in any case, as a town astand = a town you, but a town you doesnt always = a town astand

[Nerbins]

@Mercenary

I didn’t understand this phrase. What do you mean with that?

I mean if I give an ISO it might make me more credible

[Marshal]

I think you should be motivated by catching wolves and not by wanting to seem credible.

But it defnitely wouldn’t hurt. I say go for it.

[Nerbins]

@Marshal

I think you should be motivated by catching wolves and not by wanting to seem credible.

If I can do both that’s great, but it’s day one, I probably won’t get anything too conclusive. Right now it’d be more reliable for me to get pressure off my back by being or at least trying to be helpful

[Mistyx]

Oh good people are already getting my numbers wrong

I think PKR claiming a PR in his first post was wolfy for him

SDAL is sort of a gut townread, they seem to be going at their own pace in a towny way