[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

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After you claimed, cowboy.

these are both before my reactiontest.

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I agree with the conclusion(obviously) but i actually disagree with the logic here. I can and have faked reactiontests before. Whatā€™s so townie about this one?

Sorry Iā€™m a dumbass and forgot to set this to watching. Will be active in an hour

I can confirm myself via my night actions because I do believe theyā€™ll be good proof in itself.
I was not including Priestess, for my other hydra head gets 40 posts total.

I even ranted to Eevee pregame and Eeveeā€™s reactions were like (This is not word for word, but a brief summary so I think it should be allowable) ā€œGuess youā€™re out of your comfort zone, this is Mafia Academy after all. Try something newā€ and well, this certainly is.

Iā€™ve even calculated I can post once every 2 hrs 24 minutes if I want to spread them out properly. And that Priestess can post once every 1 hr 12 minutes. If I need help then Priestess should be able to use some posts for me thankfully too.

I was not lying about being PR despite it seeming like Iā€™m ā€œTMIā€™ingā€ because when I say Iā€™m important cough Lion King cough then trust me, I am and I can and will prove it.

So far reactions this game have been interesting, some mechanical talk, some quick reads. I like Luxy due to the huge posts and I feel like it shows Luxyā€™s in a similar PR position and theyā€™re trying to make the most of it (While Iā€™m doing posts like these on mobile)

Nice mech-confirms in a closed setup :unamused:

There will be very little clearing based off of mechanics in this game, short of an IC or Masons. I know how much you like confirming yourself early, but in this game, you should try to rely on, you know, shit that isnā€™t your claim.

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@MaximusPrime never vote in thread again this game. before you yell at me and vote me, read the OP, as it seems like you havent.

im just saying that you have a reputation for always claiming a pr, or so im told, and so im trying to account for that, and admittedly am probably over-correcting. simply you saying otherwise is not enough to correct this, and any argument you could make against it would have siginificantly less weight than if someone else made the same argument.
specifically, im not treating it as if you claiming pr makes you not a pr, im treating it that you claiming a pr has less likelihood of being a pr as a random player doing the same. both are still greater than someone not claiming anything, and someone claiming to not be a pr.

there actually can be some. most mechanical clearing only confirms that they are the role they claim, not necessarily their alignment, but when you have a couple of these mech-confs then you can use it to make a play that outs a group of at least 1 person being probable scum. these of course have to be built such that they do not account on any of their pieces being reliable, or to have accounted for the possibility they act out, to give a more broad result (but still a result)

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Now that Iā€™m out of class, I can contribute a bit and say what I have so far. The one scumread I am most confident in is Jgoes thanks to his reaction towards Marshalā€™s reaction test and the continuation of it in his later posts. Vul asked me to make an ISO which we both talked about. If you want to see it, let me know

arenā€™t they relatively new to fms? donā€™t think jgoes is lvl 2 wolf unless i missed something here tbh

agree that this would be scummy, but reading back i legitimately think he mightā€™ve just been isoing you angrily after he read that u fucked up (supposedly)
it is pretty aggressive tho, but iā€™m gonna wait for him to post more

ā€¦what?

just bc you have a pr like probably most other people, it doesnā€™t mean you canā€™t try hard unless you have a pr of 10 or something

either make longer posts or just wait longer between posting and post confident reads or something? donā€™t use this as an excuse to not try pls.

i fell for it :^)

but why do you think heā€™s scum trying to appear towny, bc i donā€™t see it? if anything, iā€™d see it as scummier if he actually couldnā€™t post bc iā€™d think heā€™d be looking for an excuse to lurk

has pr
still makes 2 fucking pointless posts

bruh

(note: will continue reading from here, but i gtg in a bit)

it just flows naturally and feels geniune. dunno, but i dont really get the vibe i was feeling from lotrfm
also itā€™s not completely ridiculous and i donā€™t see scum actually doing it bc itā€™d make u seem scummier and i think you would try to prevent urself from being scumread at all

itā€™s :clap: a :clap: joke :clap:
also wanted to see if nerbins had read the op bc sometimes he doesnā€™t -_-

doesnt fricking matter if its a joke

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Theyā€™ve played around 4 or so games(all town or neut IIRC). I wouldnā€™t really call them a lvl2 wolf, but i do think that his confidence here is less newbtown-indicative(especially because we have his newbtown meta) and more scum-who-decides to fake agression indicative.

I feel like this fits Jgoes pretty well right now:


Level 2: Solid player, played some vanilla games, knows the basics of wolf hunting
This player has to be evaluated based on couple of factors. In my opinion, you still shouldnā€™t focus on the accuracy of his reads. Whatā€™s more important is the manner in which the player pushes his wolf reads. You will usually come across two types of wolves at this level:

First one is an enhanced version of the level 1 player - a calm player avoiding responsibility. However he tries to improve his game by pushing one or two players all game because he feels the need to attack someone to look like heā€™s actually here to wolf hunt.
If you spot a player with a very narrow look at the game, be wary of him.

Second one is an aggressor - wolves have difficulty faking emotions so they often use the trick of being very aggressive in their pushes, thereby focusing on one emotion. They can tunnel the hell out of a single player and level villagers into thinking that a wolf wouldnā€™t play so recklessly.
Although tunneling itself is NOT a wolfy trait, always be careful of players who are overly aggressive in their pushes because it might be part of a wolfy agenda.

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Bold of you to assume I wonā€™t forget about it and just waste all my posts :kissing_heart:

To add to this, hereā€™s another common wolftell.

Being too solvey at the very beginning:
GeneralHankerchief, Wildcard Reunion Game:
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/ā€¦e-is-it-Anyway

Wolves often feel like they have to contribute and prove themselves, thatā€™s why they tend to spell out reads very early on.


Usually, i wouldnā€™t scumread jgoes because with a PR, you have to be somewhat solvey, however, i think he could reasily give an opening post that asks some questions and takes other things into account.

He starts the game with: ā€œMarshal is scum, hereā€™s some shit reasoningā€ and then backs it up after i reveal the test.

I think if he backed off after the test was revealed, that would be okay, but he instead defends it with
ā€œI actually knew he wasnā€™t telling the truth, but still decided to call him scum off of what he saidā€.


Time to analyze this ISO on me.

IIOA and weak reasoning.

I will say, Decent thing to say, but not really AI. It was dumb from a actually-post-restricted marshal, but thatā€™s not scum AI.

So you admit you could tell it was fakeā€¦ but still chastized me for messing up my post restriction, meaning you thought it was real. Nowhere did you mention thinking it was a reactiontest. You 100% bought it. ya claim ya knew it wasnā€™t rea, yet You still played into it and yelled at me for messing it up. Why even comment on it if you think itā€™s a reactiontest?


Basically, what happens is:

I reactiontest by saying i hit my postcount
Jgoes shades me for wasting my postcount and does a big wallpost
I reveal that it was a reactiontest and didnā€™t like jgoesā€™s reaction.
Jgoes doubles down, saying that he knew it was a reactiontestā€¦ but still played into it becauseā€¦? Town has no reason to try to get townread out of a reactiontest, but scum does.


Wallpost and deathtunnel over. I think i have a good chance of catching jgoes from the reactiontest. Iā€™m gonna try to read some more people for now, but i also do not like jgoes.

Hooray for another dumb voter, rip him and whatever he is.

Marshall - ???
Reaction Testā€¦
@Marshal u knowā€¦ I have a question.

Could you explain behind this? Like how does this make me and priestess town? And how far did you really think into what consequences were there? (I read the answers to disquieted, but Iā€™m too tired to process thoseā€¦ so yeah.)

ā€¦ Astand. - TR (for the time being)
Iā€™m not sure with his meta right now, but the main issue was that his first post pinged me as scum. At least, until I saw the OP and realised what he was talking about. Iā€™m sure he has read the OP, and therefore Iā€™ll wait for more content to acertain his alignment. Right now, there is something I have noted, but I want to see more of astand before I get to fling him into a box.

Mercenary - TR (?)
TR based on current content. I donā€™t have meta to back me up here, but I can swing her into a box just based on her giving an opinion to progress the current stalemate. Subject to change as this has not been compared to other messages nearby.

JaketheWolfie - TR
Guy is relaxed, simple, and just posting enough info to keep everyone happy. I strongly believe that content will be produced from that slot, just by reading that post, ooh it gives me the shivers, the good kind, of course. All in that one post too!

@Jane - SR ???
My first thought was
ā€œLol, rip Marshal with his post restriction. What a nerd.ā€ (Not exact thoughts, but you get the idea)
How the fish did you get to ā€œReaction Testā€? Oh, you answered. Letā€™s seeā€¦

I can relate to this. I swear he was the most scummy person until the whole mystic thing, but we wonā€™t talk about that.

So, you pointed it out because you thought it was scum, but also because there was also a possibility that Marsh could be town? Could you elaborate on this further?

Geyde/Luxy Hydra thingymagickyblergh
Hey, thatā€™s my damned traditional first shitpost of the game, you canā€™- Anyway, reading on.

Now that you mention it, there is a streak of confidence in Jake. I donā€™t know what to think of it, as honestly it could swing either way. Iā€™ll just go grab some ISOs from his scum game and compare it to this I suppose, not sure whether there was confidence in SFoL: LT where he was scum, or in the latest ongoing gameā€¦

Points on Disquietedā€¦ wellā€¦ I just found the content nice and easy. Intention wise, itā€™s hard to tell at this point. Iā€™ll go along.

PKR - NULL
Hello, whoa, whatā€™s with those numbers? IS THAT SCUM MECHAN-
Talk with Priestessā€¦ i dunno man, wtf? Wtf is a hydra? EDIT: Asked, like two person slot.
Like most other slots like Vul, Jake, posted first thing related to their hydra. NAI, waiting for more posts. And it seems that those are their post capsā€¦ wow PKR, sure got the short end of the stick if thatā€™s really the number. Butā€¦ Iā€™ll bite, why not?

Simon - TR
He seems to have an urgency to post content. Heā€™s shading onto PKR, and well, heā€™s explaining himselfā€¦ into my town box hue hue.
HEY, HES QUOTING SOME MU ARTICLES! WOOO
Iā€™ll update as the Maxi v Simon thing goes along.

Squid+Vulgard - NULL.
I eagerly await some juicy posts. PLEASE GIMME JUICE.

Maximus - In Progress
Updating as we go along.
I dunno man, I just skimmed through as itā€™s nearing 1 AM here 00:52 at time of writingā€¦ and boy, iā€™m getting a sense of pure raw town. Likeā€¦ I dunno how to explain it, but thatā€™s how my gut is screaming right now. Oh, you better read the front too, @MaximusPrime, before I decide to do drastic actions.

I missed Derps. Oh well. Coming up with one when I wake up.

Me watch u, derps. Stay derpy you derpy herp. Also, gib content or me gib u. And no, this is no soft, in case youā€™re wondering. Whoever thinks of anything softy from this post onward will be lockscum. Okays?

Sleepyā€¦ >_> night.

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Executive decision I think Iā€™m ignoring my post cap D1

I feel like not discussing it and trying to create content around it was a towny thing to do, but i think on second thought itā€™s more townlean/null-AI. Itā€™s just i was looking for a ā€œoh, rip marshal. Anyways, letā€™s talk about so and so.ā€

The ā€œI townread you moreā€ mightā€™ve been a little forced because this reactiontest was fishing for town more than for scum. However, jgoes gave the opposite of what i consider a townie answer and so i pushed on that.

I can clear anything else up for you, too.

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I wouldnā€™t make this decision so early. You claimed the punishment is loss of vote, which isnā€™t so bad d1, but ā€œyour vote and your voiceā€ is one of the more importnat things.

Maybe try focusing on making more wallpost-type things. and just read.

You have the best ability to read me on this forum(Looming threat, LotrFM, etc) and i think you should focus on reads and make that choice later.

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I have no idea how to read you, you confuse me

I donā€™t have a postcap(what were you thinking, eevee), but iā€™ve been trying to create more well-thought-out posts.

and everyone should focus on that.

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