[FM] Mafia Academy 1 - Mafia Victory

[Marshal]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Straw_Man

[Firekitten]

@Marshal

they aren’t fighting at all

They are literally just dedicatedly shading me and not doing much else.

You forgot about how much I was trying to do before all this? I don’t have anything to say, because everything right now is revolving around us and everything in the thread that I wanted to respond to I did.

[Firekitten]

I pretty much calmed down from before, but nothing else is going to get done until Astand retracts their check on us because everyone’s going to be talking about us

[PoisonedSquid]

That’s right. He’s not even drawing attention to Astand, the person who claimed the red check in the first place. Why isn’t he saying anything about him?

[Mercenary]

@Luxy

. Generally when someone is reductionist about someone’s reads they’re correct. They both then proceed to discredit me rather than actually engage with my content. Then Merc calls it fallacious

I have replied argument by argument. I have the right to call it fallacious because even then you both just ignored my replies.

[Firekitten]

@PoisonedSquid

That’s right. He’s not even drawing attention to Astand, the person who claimed the red check in the first place. Why isn’t he saying anything about him?

Why should I redirect attention to them squid

They likely aren’t scum

I can’t argue against them trying to frame me because they weren’t getting scumread and it doesn’t make sense for them to do this as scum

My argument basically is LISTEN ASTAND IS TOWN BUT THEY ARE LYING

[Marshal]

so you think it’s a reactiontest?

because i really don’t think it;s a reactiontest

[PoisonedSquid]

And why would he keep the lie going on for this long? Shouldn’t he have said something by now?

[Firekitten]

@Marshal

so you think it’s a reactiontest?

because i really don’t think it;s a reactiontest

there’s no reason for them to do this as scum, it makes more sense for it to be a reaction test

[Firekitten]

Have you noticed they stopped talking in the thread

That’s because they want to see what happens lmao

[PoisonedSquid]

Actually, he did speak a couple of times. Too bad you ignored him

[Marshal]

Yeah im sold here.

FK’s logic is garbage

@astand please tell us if it;s a reactontest.

Otherwise fk you are gonna be sent to deadchat and the marshal sux club can meet there.

[Firekitten]

I still see hidden posts when it’s ignored

[Firekitten]

@Marshal

FK’s logic is garbage

Fuck you

[PoisonedSquid]

Okay, I suck with reactiontests

[Firekitten]

That’s quite the hypocrite you are

[Arete]

Alright, I had meant to go re-evaluate Merc but given that I don’t think I’ll have time for a full re-eval I just looked at the interactions she had with {PKR/Priestess} and {Firekitten/Katze}.
tl;dr I think I miscleared Merc earlier, these interactions are … not a good look.

Merc + {PKR/Priestess} and {Firekitten/Katze}

@Mercenary

Katze/Firekitten

Puts Katze/FK second-to-bottom.

@Mercenary

Katze/Firekitten

Puts Katze/FK third-to-bottom.

@Mercenary

Katze/Firekitten

Puts Katze/FK fourth-to bottom.
But as far as I can tell, despite this, she never interacts with or pushes Katze/FK on D1. Like, if someone is your second strongest scumread, you would think you’d at least do something about that.

@Mercenary

Here. Luxy/Geyde claim that Priestess wasn’t communicating as a hydra and that was why they had such different responses.
I honestly dislike that reasoning in particular to scumread them, not taking in consideration the other accusations on Priestess because that would take too much time on a slot everyone is already discussing anyway.

Here she analyzes Luxy’s read on Priestess and attacks specifically only the weak point of the read, while trying to defend Priestess. I don’t know, I might be confbiasing because of the thing I noticed with her positioning of FK/Katze, but this isn’t a great look.

@Mercenary

Yes, I also think many of those claims are total bs. People are all claiming CONFIRMABLE PR.

This is pretty much the extent of her interactions with {PKR/Priestess}'s slot. (Lack of interactions in either direction here being scum indicative.)

@Mercenary

Firekitten says that they scumread someone (apparently PKR as of #450) but was tempted to vote Marshal at #370 and heavily pushes him later. He later says that Katze will control the vote.

@Katze townreads Marshal and Luxy at #52 but later says he is formulation opinions although not posting them. He thinks there is at least one scum between Marshal and PKRriestess at #353, scumleans Kai and Arette at #353 as well. Why did you go for Aretted when you were so sure on Marshal/PKRiestess, and why not Kai as well?

D2 is a bit better of a look for her with her actually interacting with FK/Kitten’s slot, in this case in a meaningful way.

@Mercenary

@Katze @Simon I just need one simple answer for a simple question: Before Dat explained it, did you know that PR could mean both Post Restriction and Power Role?

…and in this case in a less meaningful way.

@Mercenary

TL;DR PKR schrodingered having either a post restriction or power role. Simon, who knew that PR meant both post restriction and power role and immediatly thought he claimed power role is town, because scum knew he had a post restriction and not a power role.

Here’s her analysis of Priestess/PKR’s flip. Not really sure if I can get much out of this, to be honest.

@Mercenary

Katze/Firekitten

And suddenly Katze/FK have rocketed from the bottom of her readslist to the middle of the pack. With FK/Katze being basically outed this is pretty damning, especially when there’s practically no progression.

@Mercenary

@firekitten @katze @arete @disquieted @astand @marshal What do you think about it since iirc you guys were online a the time.

I’m going to be honest the ‘pinging people you think will agree with you to defend you’ thing kind of reminds me of something I’ve done as scum before.

@Mercenary

I conclude that both members of this hydra are cats.

@Mercenary

Tinfoil time: Since there were no nightkills, do you think it is possible for mafia not to have a NK at all but only doublevoters?

Here’s a couple of different interactions with FK’s slot, these are basically the extent of the interactions they have. I thought at first the second one in particular was a good look for her on not totally ignoring her theoretical scumbuddy but it’s actually just discussing mechanics, which is a much easier interaction to fake.
[in between that post and the next post, the redcheck comes out]

@Mercenary

Reads make me like FK. I still think it is an elaborated reaction test.

This post actually gave me pause for a moment, my first assumption was that scum!Merc would just bus FK here rather than thinking it was a reaction test. However, the progression into ‘Reads make me like FK’ (particularly when that was her second-highest scumread at SoD1 and she never explained why she’s putting them higher, and that even when she did put them higher it still wasn’t high enough to justify ignoring a cop check) is really bad. Furthermore, she only considers the possibility of Astand reactiontesting and not Astand being scum faking a check to get a mislynch; I suspect this comes from TMIing Astand as town.

@Mercenary

Self-meta is useless and this one is spetacularly bad.
Eevee didn’t teach you to play like that FK

@Mercenary

I never said it was scummy. I said it was a bad plat

god we became literature teachers now

And two more interactions with FK. I’m not sure we can get much from them because those are after FK was already outed as scum.

[Firekitten]

I still shouldn’t be in this thread apparently

[Nerbins]

Did anything else happen last night? At all?

[Mercenary]

Looking at how FK behaved during that meantime, I believe the slot is now scum. Not full reasoning unless someone wants to hear it because it would just be rainning on what is already wet.