[FM] Ritual Mafia IV -- Day 4 (7/16) -- Heretics and Traitor Win!

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Marshal

my gamer plan was to get consensus townread and then push for the ritual of someone i wolfread but secretly act like i oppose it to get converted

Oh? I feel really stupid now

@Marshal

@Arete

leaning town on Marshal here

in my experience he pockets me more as wolf, I don’t see him going for the ‘lynch Arete’ plan when instead he could go for the ‘haha yes Arete your read on [villager I scumread at some point] is correct’ play

this is a sucky read and prolly not coming from villa arete

@KyoDaz

I disagree. Arete has made wolfy posts but managed to recouperate.
I don’t know if a wolf would be able to recouperate so efficiently the way Arete did.

Stuff like this is why I partially trust Arete.

@Marshal

EASY EASY EASY

@Arete

/vote Kyo

Kyo’s reaction to my push on Nappy was worst out of anyone in the thread

THIS ALSO SUCKS

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE caught ARET>???/1/1/1/////A???1/1////1/

We should feel really stupid for NOT lynching this.

@Marshal

I do

i luv playing with u
but u gotta step up the gamer meter or ur lockscum

It was so obvious

@Marshal

yep.

sulit maybe but arete/kyo feels

especailly arete

my message™ is that arete sux

Interesting reaction to Katze’s prediction.

@Marshal

you sound too unfun for villa kyo

loosen up dingus

@Marshal

i think ur better when u don’t try

why aren’t you FPSing like a gamer

i was gonna but then arete started being wolfy

more coaching?

@Marshal

no but that’s a stupid reason anyways.

arete being BM has almost exactly 0 effect on kyo’s alignment at that point. and def not enough of an effect to do a hardclaim when arete keeps talking about how hardclaim bad elsewhere

I hate to sound like a broken record, but this was very obvious.

@KyoDaz

Conclusion:

Arete has overdosed on Omega 3, flip-flops like a fish on Marshal and has attempted to avoid townreading me because every post they try to get me mislynched for winds up them having to fake townread me.
Also tries to prevent people townreading others.
Once Arete flips scum Marshal is universally townread

Intesting, just interesting

@Marshal

ok no tbf u are right sulit

i feel like nappy is IC or wolf tbh

@Marshal

I think nap is a good kill

I think this does something to clear my slot.

@Marshal

only off of arete

me and alice still hold true

He spent a good bit of the game trying to act like Arete was swapped off, which in hindsight makes Arete look slightly better. Could still be a convert, but I don’t feel it.

@Marshal

or shaman is on my team and swapped me and them

hmmmm

@Marshal

an arete check ain’t bad

townleaderareter is good and it will shut drybones the fuck up

Who else was in the check pool? If I recall correctly Sulit and Katze, but I have more trust in Katze.

@Marshal

usually i’d like a nap check

but for science reasons i’m not sure cuz arete is like anti-vaxxing nap rn and i feel like following

Why would he oppose a check on my slot, which was and is slightly scummy/up in the air for many people?

@Marshal

braixen hard V read from me tbh

Braixan could be too wolfy to be wolf, but at the same time I could see it as a WiFoM.

@Wazza

@Arete

he converted you?

Not noticing the obvious RT from Marshal earlier that you could see from a mile away.

Marshal is also overly friendly to Wazza at times, which is sus.

@Marshal

if anyone’s converted it’s dry tbh

I still don’t feel Dry is a convert, but could be WiFoM.

[an_gorta_pratai]

That’s 2 lolwallposts in one day, but that read was insightful.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I want to say that I think the scum team is Sulit, Wazza, and Chloe, but my reads aren’t the best.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I feel confident in a Sulit lynch, but I want to hear more from them. I will be on in time to vote tomorrow, so it’s not worth a vote right now, but my vote will likely go to Sulit.

[an_gorta_pratai]

The most compelling argument for me is how Marshal acted like he wanted Sulit peaked, but then said “lol let’s check someone else cat emoji”.

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Icibalus are you on? I want to hear some input from someone else.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I guess this is really dead.

[Icibalus]

nah i’m just playing hearthstone and going downstairs to eat

[an_gorta_pratai]

I also think that Arete and Katze are either both converts or are both town (I am leaning towards them being town).

[an_gorta_pratai]

Marshal did a lot of lolmemeing that it’s genuinely hard to tell betwen people he thought was town and his scumbuddies.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I should go to sleep, but I will have time to read up on current affairs and vote tomorrow.

[Alice]

@ChopChop

1)With his visit on Apprentice and the overall interactions with the other scum he can never be starting scum.
2)Out of everyone alive he’s least likely to be chosen as the converted as there are better targets such as You, Alice and Braxien.

1. How does that prove that Wazza is not a starting wolf? His d1 was very villagery, so I don’t think he’s a starting wolf as well.

2. That’s absolutely wrong. Anyone who’s ever played a game with converts can tell how wrong you are. Wazza was widely townread d1 until the middle of d2, which made him a good convert target for Marshal. And appealing to the logic of strong players are always converted is BS. Kyo and Marshal know that Arete and I would be prime convert targets so it’s encouraged for them to choose another target so it would not seem as suspicious. Plus, his posts have been extremely agenda-y today in wanting to sacrifice me and his reads has been stupidly artificial such as the Arete one.

[sulit]

@Chloe

Kyo and Marshal know that Arete and I would be prime convert targets so it’s encouraged for them to choose another target so it would not seem as suspicious

It doesn’t really work out like that

example: anime

[Alice]

@Braixen

Has to have 2 starting heretics, I.E Shaman and Seer. As marshal was convert.

Pretty sure that Marshal was the starting Shaman. All of the shit he’s pulled in the guise of RTs were wolf gambits such as claiming BM and then softing Minister so he can act like he didn’t get converted as he knew that Kyo getting sac’d would result in a convert, and nobody would convert an IC claim.

@Braixen

Finding Scum part 2

Problem here is that you’re relying on people being truthful about their votes. I was mostly checking who was pushing who as Katze and Kyo looked to be unanimous wagons, which means that wolves have full control of the thread. Arete looks bad here, but Gorta looks to be just a sheeping newbie. If Gorta’s a wolf I’m p sure he was a convert as Napoleon/Kyo are never W/W.

@Braixen

This actually makes a bad case for Sulit as if he knew marshal was gonna soul exchange then it would make sense why he voted

Yeah, this makes Sulit far more sketchy considering that Katze looked to have been the target of a Soul exchange since a lot of people are confessing to have voted him.

[Alice]

DryBones’ argument relies on probability as it’s basically “Wazza isn’t a strong player, so nobody would have converted him.”

This is false as weak and mid-tier players are converted all the time. Usually the ones that never get converted are the ones who just refuse to play when they roll wolf like Emilia.

[Alice]

@ChopChop

I think the scum is exactly this:
Gorta, Alice (Kyo) and one of Katze or Chloe (Marshal)

Lost Wolf - Arete (Obviously)

Again, you’re talking about purely probabilities here. I am a prime convert choice but I’ve basically been the same for this entire game. You can’t say the same about Wazza as his posts have been extremely agenda-y since yesterday.

That’s how you convert hunt.

[Alice]

@Braixen

Here is another side note:

Knowing Marshal he would want Katze and Chloe to both be scum.

Thus so, Chloe is most probable convert with Katze being most likely a seer or the og shaman.

…what the hell?

This is not how convert hunting works. This is basing shit purely on possibilities rather than actual evidence. People convert others outside their friend circle all the damn time on this site.

@Braixen

Katze being starting scum would also make a reason for their voting patterns

Katze is never starting scum here as no sane wolf would beg to be modpeeked by Italy like what she did d2.

[Alice]

@Braixen

It is a very marshal move to soul swap with Katze in Order to give Katze Town Cred

Why not Soul Swap with a villager if Katze is W? If we had sacrificed Katze if he’s a W then the Heretics would still be able to convert someone.

[Alice]

@Braixen

More logically speaking Marshal would never convert Dry/Wazza as they are obvious mislynchs

…Wazza was very likely converted D2 and Dry is obvious V here.

[Alice]

@Braixen

It litterally says in his logs

I… I… I…

…why would Marshal give us more info that can help us find his wolfmates more easily in his logs? He knew that his logs would be shown once he’d get sacrificed, so there’s a very fair chance that he’s bullshitting about the convert.

You are literally putting a 100% trust on the words of a flipped wolf who knew that he was about to flip.