[FM] Ritual Mafia IV -- Day 4 (7/16) -- Heretics and Traitor Win!

[Marshal]

and if scum used their strongman(which is a likely scenario because vulgard is 6 feet under) then enchanter likely has the abil to fuck some nerds up

[Braixen]

3 bloodmage claims too

[Arete]

@N.1

Ritual of Influence (Passive) - If you are sacrificed, the heretics will gain the following ability:

• Secret Vote (Day) - Add 1 lynch vote to a player of your choice until the end of the day. - 1 use.

Elemental Ritual (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, all the Heretics will get 1 extra use of their limited use abilities.

ritualing Elementalist:

the only ability that matters for math purposes is Secret Vote (although obviously the others are bad)
right now 3+1v7
ritual Elementalist 3v7
correct lynch 2v7
nightkills 2v6
ritual town 2v5
correct lynch 1v5
nightkills 1v4
ritual town 1v3
correct lynch gg

this is like

actually good

[katze]

i considered that as well

but i only trust one of them as being a currently alive, unconverted blood mage

and they claimed to have used their big day ability already

[Arete]

@N.1

Ritual of Power (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, the heretics will be able to use up to two factional kills or similar abilities (must be performed by different players).
Ritual of Sleep (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select a class type (Support/Offensive/Social/Investigative). All Congregation players of said class type will be occupied tonight, bypassing immunity.
Ritual of Omniscience (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select up to two players and reveal their classes to the Heretics.

is Ritual of Power 1-shot or permanent

because that affects whether ritualing a Lamb is a ‘bad but survivable’ scenario or an ‘avoid at any cost’ scenario

[Braixen]

So do we want to lynch a Traitor?

[Marshal]

depends

if elementalist, yes
if ritualist, maybe
if lamb, probably not but idk

[Marshal]

oh u meant lynch

lynch, yes, i think that wouldn’t hurt at all

[katze]

we want to lynch nontown

[Arete]

@N.1

Ritual of Influence (Passive) - If you are sacrificed, the heretics will gain the following ability:

• Secret Vote (Day) - Add 1 lynch vote to a player of your choice until the end of the day. - 1 use.

Double Ritual (Ritual) - If you are sacrificed, select a player. Sacrifice them and trigger their Ritual abilities (this counts as a normal ritual, so any abilities that affect rituals such as soul exchange will affect this as well).

okay

I’m going to run two sets of numbers, one where Double Ritual hits scum and one where it hits town

Double Ritual hits scum:
right now 3+1v7
lynch Ritualist, Ritualist picks scum, scum gets a convert 3v6
lynch scum 2v6
nightkills 2v5
correct ritual 2v4
lynch scum 1v4
correct ritual 1v3
lynch scum gg

I feel like I must have screwed up some of my math somewhere because scum getting an extra convert (even by ritting the Traitor) shouldn’t put us in a better position than ritualling town?? can someone please check my math here + elsewhere

[Arete]

Double Ritual hits town (and town has a kind of useless ritual ability)

right now 3+1v7
ritual Ritualist 3v6
lynch scum 2v6
nightkills 2v5
correct ritual 2v4
lynch scum 1v4
nightkills 1v3
correct ritual 1v2
lynch scum gg

[Arete]

@Arete

lynch scum 1v4
correct ritual 1v3
lynch scum gg

I forgot about nightkills here but the logic still holds

[Marshal]

so ritualist
or elementalist

are like +EV rits for sure?

[katze]

@Arete

right now 3+1v7
lynch Ritualist, Ritualist picks scum, scum gets a convert 3v6
lynch scum 2v6
nightkills 2v5
correct ritual 2v4
lynch scum 1v4
correct ritual 1v3
lynch scum gg

you forgot the nightkill after 1v4

@Arete

right now 3+1v7
ritual Elementalist 3v7
correct lynch 2v7
nightkills 2v6
ritual town 2v5
correct lynch 1v5
nightkills 1v4
ritual town 1v3
correct lynch gg

[Arete]

I think probably a ritualist wouldn’t target a Blood Mage/Enchanter claim, possibly unless they really thought they were scum??

[Arete]

apparently??? I was running some numbers with that last night but not in as much detail

why is that a thing

that’s silly

[Marshal]

if a rit gets ritted they probably target a useless town or someone they are sure are scum

[Marshal]

come to think of it

i’d probably be the gamer-est selection for a ritualist
godawful rit abilities
and removing my voice and kill-blocks from town is bleh

[ChopChop]

Holy shit I forgot Night Phase happened and forgot to give anything

[Marshal]

so uh

i should definitely
update my ritual abilities