[FM] Short Fuse IV - Game Over - Town wins

[JakeTheWolfie]

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-short-fuse-iv-12-12-day-1/77851/740?u=jakethewolfie

Start from here, downward.

[Arete]

…Okay, I know I said like three hours ago that I would do this, but it’s 2 AM and I’m tired; if I’m alive tomorrow I can take a look, is that okay?

[JakeTheWolfie]

ok

[Alice]

Hmm, I think Solic has been spewed V by the thread by now, tbh. Looks like he’s a consesus townread by pretty much everyone here and nobody’s dissenting.

[Marshal]

[Marshal]

I’m still not a massive solic fan here.
but i’m obviously overriden

[astand]

Accused	Voters	Number
BlueStorm	Solic	1/7
sulit	Hippolytus	1/7
Alice	sulit	1/7
SirDerpsAlot	KyoDaz, Marshal, JakeTheWolfie	3/7
DatBird	Arete	1/7

About 22 hours remain.

[Alice]

Hmm… /vote DatBird

[Solic]

@JakeTheWolfie

Solic sees you as Scum because they don’t like you, from my PoV.
Solic has put you in a Dilemma:
If you read them as Town, They say it’s pocketing.
If you read them as Scum, They push on you.
If you read them as Null, They push on you for being unable to read them with their amount of content.

If you give a credible push on someone else, you’re free to go (or bussing ^^). I don’t typically need reads on me as I know what I am. You think applying pressure on someone is done by "you’re scum, unless you specifically say this: [insert statement] ? giving them an instant out?

@JakeTheWolfie

But you also gave no way for you to unvote them, as you gave no condition for that.

Yeah, let’s just give conditions and follow through on those by how you can get townread through pressure statements. What do you think would happen? Christ.

@JakeTheWolfie

Solic wants a vote for a Scumlean. What?

I want activity. Votes are a good way of prompting that. Are they distancing with Birdo (think it was Birdo), are they pulling a mislynch, is it actually a good push and they are town? Sounds like good information to know in all cases.

[Solic]

@Arete

(Iso of SirDerps incoming, chosen because I hold his detonator and thus he’s one of the most important people FMPOV for alignment-figuring-out purposes.)

Hey @Arete can you point me to a town game, where you postured your future reads like this?

[Solic]

@Alice

Do you still like Hippo after their relative absence in thread?

[Solic]

@Hippolytus

/vote Sulit

@Hippolytus

I reckon sulits mafia he seems super unnatural and his post about “reading OP and seeeing factional kill” or whatever seemed super forced.

He has adjectives “super” twice, so clearly feels strongly about it. The fact that he used super twice is actually unnatural to me. And then they completely drop it, don’t mention it again, and just meme around a bit regarding Jake.

[Solic]

@DatBird

He didn’t directly ask me a question and I don’t really care that he voted me right now tbh

Honestly really townread this

This gives me a townie tone tbh. “Honestly” wouldn’t be necessary from scum point of view as they know who are town, but that’s also a bit reachy. lul

@DatBird

I can and I will, doesnt mean I’m right

Kind of like this jokey tone too.

@DatBird

I think your and Solics little scuffle pregame doesnt make you seem towny at all, and I think it painted Solic heavily town

I don’t like that they explained Marshal’s side here heavily, but kind of neglected me. As if they already know I’m town and don’t want to go to the trouble of justifying themselves. Context:

Marshal:

@DatBird

Well choose town det in your maf chat and hope you get me

This post is antagonizing him especially with ur later comments on saying all he did was pick fights

Marshal:

Yes. Of course I am pocketing you by arguing and sarcasm

Same with this one

Marshal:

Solic’s picking a fight where a fight doesn’t need to happen. There were opportunities to resolve this that weren’t taken

You saying this isnt stopping a fight but legit shading him, and the two posts above show that u werent helping in the situation at all

Marshal:

You or wazza atm because I want the det of 2 people scumreading me

So anyone scumreading is scummy got it

Marshal:

Less resolving, but more that you are continuing something that can and should have ended

And u arent

Marshal:

A lot of this is content that shows I give answer, solic picks fight.

And the pocketing comment furthers this argument, because now any attempt to say “hey maybe sol is town” is now “pocketing”

A lot of my post here shows that u were antagonizing also but see urself on moral high ground in the situation

Well do u think Sol is town or do u not. I dont think its pocketing I just want an answer

Me:

@DatBird

Tone and Pressure mainly, reminds me heavily of your NFOL game

@DatBird Expand on my case please.

@DatBird

A lot of this is content that shows I give answer, solic picks fight.

And the pocketing comment furthers this argument, because now any attempt to say “hey maybe sol is town” is now “pocketing”

A lot of my post here shows that u were antagonizing also but see urself on moral high ground in the situation

@DatBird

Can you explain how “moral high ground” is alignment indicative? Found that very weird to be brought up.

@DatBird

What if we all just detonated? What would be the chances that all scum are detonated in parity?

Yeah Im leaning towards being ok if someone blows this one up

@DatBird

not at all, I dont trust him with anyones detonator currently

I kind of think that this thinking is warranted, but as Alice already pointed out, it means they are not on the same team.

@DatBird

Because I’m town, and detonating me would bring the Mafia closer to victory. I realize that ‘I’m town’ is not proof of being town, but it bears mentioning.

boring Im town crap that everyone gives

Arete:

Because even if you temporarily operate under the assumption that I’m scum, my scum play typically provides a wealth of associative reads if you actually bother to look for them (see SFoL 51 before the redcheck got outed – hardly anyone bothered to use them, but they were there). If I were scum, detonating me now would make it harder to find my scumbuddies later.

Idk if town Arete would say this

Arete:

Because if I’m left alive, I’ll have the chance to actually analyze the game/do Isos/etc., all of which are things that should help figure out who the scum are.

this is like the best point out of the three, but isos arent even really needed when its 400 posts

Arete:

It’s less than five hundred words, Solic, it’s not a wallpost (and thus, I’m not locktown yet).

(Iso of SirDerps incoming, chosen because I hold his detonator and thus he’s one of the most important people FMPOV for alignment-figuring-out purposes.)

Wallpostss = town joke. boring, plus an iso of derps and still theeres less than 400 posts its not really nessecary but i guess, kinda just feels like not needed

Arete:

I was going to ask for your thoughts on Alice while I wrote my wallpost but it looks like she hasn’t really posted yet.

Yeah his thoughts on someone who hasntt posted yet before this post, Solics gonna have much to talk about

Overall just like fluff in the wallposts and Im town things and promising isos that arent even like needed this early. Like a lot of it is just like why? Oh wait more content

Arete:

@Solic if you could detonate anyone right now, and not doing so weren’t an option, who would it be and why?

a question, that is pretty much asking who u scumread.

Arete:

If you could make someone other than yourself permanently detonation immune, who would it be and why?

I do genuinlly like this question even though it boils down to whos ur biggest TR. But at least its different from other questions asked so far.

Idk I would say slight scumread, they havent impressed me much but not a lot of people have either.

This is a very lazy hedgey ISO.

I’m getting too many scumreads, which is not good

[Solic]

@KyoDaz

I think Alice should be detonated.

@Hippolytus

Why did you like this?

[Hippolytus]

She came in and instantly townread me, the person whos detonator they have, which is a good idea if youre mafia to try pocket your detonee but odd for town to not to try at least question or pressure your detonee.

[Hippolytus]

Shes null for me rn tho, altho i didnt like kyo randomly saying alices actions make her town.

[Solic]

And who is not null for you?

[Solic]

Also Kyo didn’t just randomly say that.

[Solic]

@SirDerpsAlot

I think sol is town

@SirDerpsAlot

Not sure who I would make immune just yet. maybe blue

@SirDerpsAlot

I don’t have any strong town reads yet, based off the iso that was done on them they are slight town atm

@SirDerpsAlot

Wattup?

[Solic]

I want an explanation, but I think Sir is town, so that means this wagon stinks and Marshal is still the most smelly.

@astand

|SirDerpsAlot|KyoDaz, Marshal, JakeTheWolfie|3/7