[FM] Town of Salem 2 - Stalker, Executioner, and Shade win!

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@CRichard564

Greetings to everyone, I’m going to start this up by doing this.

/Vote CRichard564

I’d like to ask you all throughout the day certain things and to please excuse if at certain times I do not respond right away. I will try and answer anything directed at me when I can.

@katze
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@PokemonKidRyan care to explain your vote on me?

  1. We aren’t required to answer, are we?
    I understand how lying is suspicious, but we don’t have to actually answer, do we?

Such as; What is your role class?
Saying one class than changing it later would be worse than just saying I prefer not to answer that.

And 2. Do you need to accompany questions with a vote, or is that your way of putting pressure early?

Pokemon’s vote on me is an interesting way to start the day. It could be his way of fishing for information on my alignment.

i hardclaim mafia

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Unlikely.
Only players without fol experience are pressured by a first post vote.

There is no Mafia.

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This is my 5th FoL or should i say FoS game so far.

that is the joke

I’m here! But it’s past midnight and I need sleep and should stop watching anime. So in other words, I’m here, but I’m leaving.

I’ll be on in maybe ten hours.

I was going to use a McBain quote here, though it seems Katze beat me to it.

This is a nullread.
Katze could be coven trying to relieve suspicion off themselves early, or just joking town.

Anyone have experience on what Katze is doing? Thanks. Can’t be bothered reading their other games.

A quick note about mafia theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else’s time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.

I’ve reflected on my role and realized that there is a GOAT play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.

I am hard-claiming, and I will never be rescinding. I am the Sheriff. When it becomes prudent I will provide my peek.

Benefits:

I will survive tonight: I do not believe the Coven are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the Sheriff. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The Coven have already been outplayed, as it were.

I’m lock clear: All of you already know I’m lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as Coven. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to play mafia in that I’ve ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as Coven, by open-claiming on thread open, when all I have to do is provide a C-level Coven game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as Coven, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I know that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to an Coven play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As a villager, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not fuck up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.

There are only 17 players you need to try to read, rather than 18: I have already provided a “free” peek of me in a game with a mere 18 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.

Conclusion:

The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the Sheriff, and thus a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.

Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.

It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.

It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I’m “neutral” or “scummy”. That is legitimately stupid, and I won’t entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as Coven is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a villager. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for Coven-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They’re universes apart. That means I wouldn’t DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, Coven-me also wouldn’t BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game Coven I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as Coven is COMPLETELY DWARFED by my baseline mafia EV anyway. Anything that complicates my mafia life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my mafia life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation mafiaing lives in mafia history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely scummy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.

Sucks for the Coven when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.

If she were coven, it wouldn’t make sense to draw attention this early in the game. That doesn’t seem to be wolfish behavior on her part.

trust me memeing is far from AI for me

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Katze may be a neutral at this point for all I know.

Downsides:

While you are guaranteed to live tonight (well, not guaranteed; coven could pull a suicide hit and doc didn’t heal you) but practically are. But when healing classes die, sheriff is dead.
Like, immediately.

Alright I missed Katze’s claim never mind.