I mean yes it affects balance but not KPN at all???
Extremely confused what you mean by this
Letās say you are a guiltless knight: you could just CS each night until you make a mistake, then youāre vanilla.
But if you have guilt, you actually wonāt CS just āon luckā, at least in average you will CS a lot less. Aka, BD has less kills per night.
Ergo, if you remove guilt, youāll have a higher BD kpn.
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Miscommunication here, weāre on the same page, nobody wants an every-night full-guiltless vig
However the idea is that in a perfect world killing a BD is the punishment for killing a BD
So suicide guilt is too extreme, disabling guilt is workable, but ideally we wouldnāt even need that
We have a high power setup, BD kpn is already too high, since all BD killers can kill already n1 
if you remove guilt, it would make the problem even worse
Archer is already a problem
That statement is objectively false (guilt is not only suicide guilt), but I understand what your position is regardless.
And frankly I donāt see any upsides to making a Vigilante-type killer that turns one mistake into two that come anywhere close to overcoming the massive downside that is the monumental power shift after a misfire.
I think your problem is that Knight CS and Archer shots are not 1-shot, since 1-shot abilities arenāt really a thing for BD classes (with a few exceptions)
Either you have a 1-shot vig (which we donāt have) or you have a Knight, with a huge killing potential, but also a huge punishment if you kill the wrong person, both are around the same power level
ā¦ or maybe we both should just shut up, and let the people do the balancing who actually play the game, sigh
Yes you didnāt. But thatās the alternative. If you want to have a (suicide) guiltless knight, youāll have to make him one-shot, to not make the BD kpn higher
This isnāt a theoretical discussionā¦
letās do it another way
letās say you are a Knight, you could theoretically defend, which is 100% legit, but you trust your reads and think youāre about 70% or 80% sure someone is evil
What would you do as Knight with (suicide) guilt?
What would you do as Knight without guilt?
Iām talking about the actual kills per nightā¦ and I thought kpn should try to simulate this?
I think what sheās arguing orange is that if you are 70% sure someone is evil you wonāt CS them if you are a guilt knight, but if you were gutless you were.
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