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I saw Rick astley irl boomer

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They have algorithms to detect and ban players who play like computer programs

Maybe you should ban the use of AI technology too then. Iā€™d say that falls under angleshooting, but it could use an explicit mention.

Can u even use AI technology to play forum mafia?

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Okay this has gone a bit off course when weā€™re discussing what the rules of a chess website should be

Most definitely.

There has been done research on this at least.

I mean

Yes

But nobody has any yet lol

You donā€™t even understand who youā€™re fucking dealing with. I have advanced degrees in statistics and computer science and Iā€™ve created a simple program with an advanced algorithm that Iā€™ve been working on for years. I have read and tracked over 600 forum mafia games, recording every fencesit, every association, every scumtell. I have over 50 documented, specific forms and versions of scumtells and towntells, and at this point I can just skim a thread and put it into my machine. I have reduced the cacophonous lies of forum mafia into a pure, beautiful mathematical formula, and itā€™s led me to literal hundreds of wins.

Why do I think youā€™re scum? I donā€™t even need to deign to think about you myself. Instead, I thought about how to create a program to know mathematically whether you are scum. I donā€™t even need to think about you, because my algorithm has determined that youā€™re scum to an 87% certainty. You cannot beat those numbers at this stage in the game. Weā€™re talking about a mere 13% chance that youā€™re a town member so monumentally bad at this game that you fooled a computer program that has successfully identified over 500 unique mafia players as scum with over 96% accuracy. Your only defense, in other words, is that you are so naturally scummy that you are an outlier.

Whether youā€™re town or mafia, this is a message from mathematics ā€“ you are bad at this game. You have played so scummy that a perfectly objective process has labeled you as scum. Whether that makes you bad at playing your specific rolecard or bad in general, there is no question that behaving like scum means you have not performed well. Consider this a welcome wakeup call, as hundreds have before you: If a player decides youā€™re scum, itā€™s possible you just got unlucky, but if a computer program can be that certain of your alignment, there are some serious holes in your game, because it means youā€™re scum in an objective sense, rather than a subjective one. For that reason, Iā€™m willing to roll that die and take that 13% risk, because even if thereā€™s a small chance you might be town, thereā€™s not even a remote chance that youā€™re good.

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Yeah

Someone I know is developing a bot rn for it lol

you little twerp

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And they will still suck for the immediate future

Yes, it is unfair to try to get an advantage for this game by using outside help, if the intention is to win. But if I help a newbie out in his very first stepsā€¦ :thinking: and yes, that was mostly what I have done. Either for fun and meme, or to help a newbie. Never for winning the game.

So, confession over :wink:

Pretty much

How on earth its literally a game based on communication and deception with no computer-based mechanics wtf

Any way to make AI-perfect-only Forum Mafia Games
I.E. Leela Zero vs. Stockfish in Chess

Thatā€™s what NFoL/NFM is for

If you want to do that outside of that just get the hostā€™s permission

Problem solved

Giving new players tips on how to play is fine

Playing for them is not

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I see that exactly like you