FoL Feedback Thread

[Geyde]

Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two if there are more than 5 players alive except during Grand Trial. Immune to occupation and redirection. Your abilities do not count as visits.

Change last line to

Your abilities cannot be seen by investigative abilities.

[Geyde]

The Knight

Blue Dragon Killer
Armored (Passive) - You are night immune to the first attack blocked by defend. For additional attacks blocked, you will die bypassing death immunity and healing.
Defend (Night) - Guard a target player, giving your life to kill their attacker(s). You will be the target of the attacks instead. - Infinite uses
Cold Steel (Night) - Choose a player to attack. If they are a member of the Blue Dragon, you will also take your own life. - Infinite uses
Your objective is to defeat the Unseen or Cult, and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

This should shore up any inconsistencies

[DatBird]

@Geyde

die death immunity and healing.

die regardess of death immunity or healing*
or can he be saved with those two

[Firekitten]

By the way did we ever fix the case where prince could jail themselves due to cult bs

[Firekitten]

Don’t remember exactly where it happened but there was a case in a game of fol where the prince jailed themselves due to an ability being used on them

[Geyde]

We did fix that interaction
It’s now occupation (distract) and redirection (bewilder)

[Kape]

@Geyde

You will be the target of the attacks instead.

Will an Obs see the attacker visit the Knight then?

[Frostwolf103]

Wow nice job.

[Geyde]

Heck I need to rephrase again

[orangeandblack5]

FoL2 was a fun time

[Frostwolf103]

You may get away this time, but by the time we got lynches back, we peeled you alive

[orangeandblack5]

I survived as an outed Cultist for like three days and convinced you all to hang a Fool instead of me

That’s a win in my book

[Hippolytus]

*A fool saved you by convincing everyone to hang the fool instead of you

[Solic]

@anon97870008

Can someone explain this ability to me?
You choose a fellow Unseen and a BD class. You are healing them tonight and tailor them as this class. But what is “faking the death”?

Flavor that I have had way too many questions about to keep around honestly.

It was legacy

@Vulgard

I wonder if these go through redirection immunity?

They don’t or it would state so.

@anon97870008

Btw Cult Mystic is not really functioning, since you have 2 cult points, but you can use only 1 point in Mystic’s case. (To choose the passive makes no sense at all, and the Mystic has no night ability, so you end up with choosing only a day ability, and since you can’t take 2 day abilities, you can’t use your second cult point… because 1. you can’t take more than 1 day ability from your cult alt, 2. because Apostle has already a day ability)

Cult is being looked at atm anyways. This is a result of both Mystic and Apostle being reworked prior and the extra cult point is superfluous. Good catch. There are some other oddities like this with current cult alt system.

@MaximusPrime

isnt mystic imm to occ now

They’re not.

@firekitten

I can’t run an EFoL, FK I’m not member of the fol balance team, my word means nothing. I’m just too frustrated of unwritten and unclear rules to run a real FoL anymore and want to try to change it on my own.

Sure you can. Watch this.

@solic can priestess run an efol

EFoLs are organized by the FoL team, which Priestess isn’t a part of (they declined the invitation). They also are organized specifically to playtest more drastic shifts like all previous EFoL’s have done. I am currently unaware if Priestess plans such a shift, but if they bring their ideas to the FoL team and they’re good then they can obviously run it.

@anon97870008

my word means nothing.

I am sorry that you feel like that, but I am going to say that that is not true and already some changes have been passed through based on your feedback.

@Vulgard

Pretender could theoretically be a good thing. Right now I don’t really see a counterbalance to King regardless of the King’s alignment. You don’t really want to kill the King as Unseen, Cult or NK until it’s late game (assuming GK), unless you think you have a good shot at replacing him or having someone from your faction replace him. At least that’s what I think.

The existence of Pretender could make the King feel more threatened and more inclined to participate, trying to root out enemies regardless of alignment. Pretender would have to be implemented very well, though. I think it’d be easy to make it too strong or too underwhelming.

Pretender is an interesting concept, but will be really hard to get right. It’s already contentious in ToL itself. We’d love to see any fleshed out suggestions. Currently kings have gone through some nerfs, so that adds on to reluctance to step towards that.

@Vulgard

Still, I think Pretender adds a much-needed element to the game. When was the last time a King election happened?

NFoL 4.

@anon97870008

Yeah but you have to think on the Inq player too, and on the game itself
Just “lets punish players for claiming because idiotic BD is claiming again on D2” isn’t a good concept for a class

Punishing openclaiming is a good concept and this isn’t anymore openclaiming, it is leaking your class, since the Inquisitor just has to guess it. Scum hides their classes and uses deceit. BD should do the same. It’s way more interesting that way and I know very little people that enjoy massclaim meta’s.

@anon97870008

Wait… does Sorc not attack when he hits guard/deathimmune, or does he here?

FoL Sorcerer doesn’t have that. Less reason to have that when Knight doesn’t bypass immunity or gets notified.

@anon97870008

That’s the only reasonable assumption in my eyes Sorry for using common sense

The reasonable assumption is to just follow the cards… Arbitrarily thinking it’s different than intended is just odd unless there is a great reason for it and then I’d suggest to put that as feedback here, so it can be altered.

[orangeandblack5]

but Solic

If my personal assumption isn’t considered the only reasonable one, that means there’s a chance I made an ass of u and me! That’s impossible!

[Firekitten]

@Solic

EFoLs are organized by the FoL team, which Priestess isn’t a part of (they declined the invitation). They also are organized specifically to playtest more drastic shifts like all previous EFoL’s have done. I am currently unaware if Priestess plans such a shift, but if they bring their ideas to the FoL team and they’re good then they can obviously run it.

First off, why does the balance team get to only host EFOLS. It makes no sense, because it’s experimenting with fol to see what is better, making it so anyone can host an efol makes it so that they can test changes they think will be good for the game without taking up a SFOL slot for just changing wording and stuff.

[Firekitten]

I think we can all agree that we don’t want a sfol where someone changes logs being in the game and then simplifies abilities interactions.

[Solic]

It’s because FoL and by extension EFoL is a standardized format.

[Firekitten]

FOL isn’t EFOL. Fol is official EFOL is not. There’s no reason for EFOL to be standardized.

[Solic]

EFoL is also official.