FoL Feedback Thread

[Alice]

It’s just 1 additional KP. Like not a double kill on top of an Assassin kill.

[Kape]

But then every Enforcer would be +1 scum KPN.

[Firekitten]

2f1 is always balanced upon having only one use, imagine converting multiple knights and having an additional kill each time.

[Firekitten]

Technically 1kp not KPN because it’s not every knight it’s one knight

but semantics

[Alice]

Relies on multilple Knights rolling and open-claiming, tbh. If they all claimed without CSing anyone then it’s kind of their fault.

[orangeandblack5]

Can’t afford to read whole thread

But

Hot take

Neutral Support is a bad archetype and we shouldn’t do it

[Firekitten]

I made an unintentional pun

[anon97870008]

Hot take - personal opinions don’t matter much. Find a mechanical reasoning.

[Geyde]

@Chloe

Thinking it would be good, tbh.
Originally I was kind of against it with the status quo being that there were only 2 Unseen/Cult alive d1 and probability-wise this wouldn’t be a very good tradeoff. Thing is the chance of removing the NK or an evil-aligned neut looks to be a decent tradeoff to this.

Would actually help tone down the swing nowadays in matches.

make a different setup
I now believe that wacky unbalanced rolemadness is FoL’s identity

[Geyde]

Best solution is to up playercount slightly because that reduces the gamebreaking part of the swing

[anon97870008]

I have nothing against trying to up the player count by 2. That shouldn’t break too much.

[Alice]

Technically the main issue with Alch is the survivor/BD-siding goal. A tailor/healing neutral who focuses on preventing evils from getting killed/checked and has an anti-BD goal could work.

[Geyde]

Just remove alch

[Geyde]

It doesn’t add anything unique to the game
I tried reworking it but it ended up still being a kingmaker

[anon97870008]

Just make neuts neut again. Most neuts right now aren’t really neutral, but pretty hard siding by mechanics.

[Alice]

I could try reworking it to a support that helps evils, though.

[anon97870008]

@Geyde

kingmaker

WELL technically.
But in how many games do you see this in fact happening?

[Geyde]

@Chloe

The Strigoi

Neutral Offensive
Blood Sucker (Passive) - If you are using Vampiric Bite then you will heal yourself if you would be nightkilled. You will always be under the effect of Vampirism and you will know all living players who are Bitten.
No Pulse (Passive) - You are immune to redirection and occupation.
Mist Form (Day) - All visits to you will be prevented this coming night - 2 uses
Blood Frenzy (Day) - All players under the effect of Vampirism will receive the benefits of No Pulse and the healing from Blood Sucker if you successfully use Vampiric Bite. - One use
Vampiric Bite (Night) - Bites a player, infecting them with Vampirism, preventing healing, and occupying them. Players infected with Vampirism will be shown as a Neutral and a Killer for investigative abilities and will have their visits hidden. - Infinite uses
Make sure at least half of the living remainder of the Court is infected with Vampirism by the end of the game.

[Alice]

The problem is that nobody likes playing survivors.

[anon97870008]

Oh god, that was a nice, 100% neutral class. I loved it.