[FoL] Forum of Lies 28 - ENDGAME - BD + Crus win (9/18)

[Mercenary]

Ah I see nvmd understood it wrong

[TheBlueElixir]

I mean

‘didnt like RT=doesn’t need to read me’

[Mercenary]

I thought he was saying I was in a scumteam with Blizer

[Ami]

possessed is an OBJECTIVELY BAD LYNCH, he gives nothing to really work from which going into day 3 we cant be faffing about in the dark with no actual worthwile analysis from the lynch

[Mercenary]

I’m still voting Blizer because he is one of my top townreads

[Blizer]

@Ami

Shades tend to be baseless where as with CRich there is solid basis. His read list day 1 was mostly based off of post count which makes little sense. I was his highest SR and i had 5 relatively NAI posts at that time. How does that make any sense as someone’s largest SR?

Iet me go through CRich d1 again to doublecheck

when i read his posts earlier, yeah there was his reads on inactivity, but he was also reading the thread and other people at the time, and his reads from what i remember reading him from yesterday were solid, and his tone felt natural

nothing felt out of place tbh.

[TheBlueElixir]

Then talk to the people voting possessed then IMO

[Frostwolf103]

@Mercenary

I thought he was saying I was in a scumteam with Blizer

Well I said anything, not groupscum. If we got NK lynched, you basically become the NK as well.

[Ami]

its almost as if people can read on their own

[Mercenary]

also I have found Alice’s behavior a little off so far.
she is not leading, just contributing in very small ways and then leaving

[TheBlueElixir]

Im hesitant to agree seeing as you didnt read my opening on why I was voting Possessed but w/e

[Frostwolf103]

@Mercenary

I’m still voting Blizer because he is one of my top townreads

Scumreads??

[Mercenary]

No, townreads

[Ami]

crusader takes the wincon of the person they lynch

[Frostwolf103]

I know, we discussed that, we won’t discuss again just to clutter

[Frostwolf103]

Explain?

[Mercenary]

gutread mostly
nothing really to explain
but Alice isn’t making open accusations, just making small pushes here and there
she was making small steps towards accusing me since yesterday even after almost everyone found I was townie
it feels agenday

[Possessed]

This was prior to the ClonedCheese accusation.

[Blizer]

@CRichard564

@Feathering

Okay, my class makes it pretty hard for me to do much in general.

@Feathering

I was on about the reading part of this game, not my abilities.

@Feathering

Yes, I have FM Experience.

@Feathering

Do we even have a D1 Lynch?

This slot is probably not group scum. At worst he is probably a lost wolf as his posts don’t show signs of being coached on how to write to not stand out for the wrong reasons.

@CRichard564

@katze

@TheBlueElixir

@CRichard564

Out of curiosity, how do you two plan on reading Feathering and the other new player?

The same as i read other people. Speaking of which, I don’t think these two slots are starting group scum.
Their posts don’t show signs of being rehearsed, which should be there if either one of them were starting group scum.

[quote=“CRichard564, post:497, topic:82131, full:true”]
Gorta is probably a townie here. I’ve noticed that Gorta is good at reading people as town, even though he isn’t good at expressing them in his posts.

@an_gorta_pratai

@Arete

Alright, I’m going to pull an Alice-in-Insurgency and post my pre-written wallpost on How To Not Lose For Dumb Reasons. (…hopefully this will go better than in Insurgency )
[/quote]

I think you could just say “don’t over rely on good players and just solve for yourself”

@TheBlueElixir

I did see my classcard before writing this but I came up with the ideas beforehand so ima go ahead and call it NAI

im gonna try to play this game a bit more separated from my slot. I have trouble distancing myself from it in the past, with my WiM and how I go about the game tied to how im read. I tend to also be a high poster to towncore myself.

I think I could play better with none of the above and Im going to try to do that

This opener feels off (I will say more about TBE later)

@Blizer

TBE is pinging me as scum trying to fit in and looks like hes pushing discussion forward. But, his response to Jane`s attempted reaction test on Merc contradicts what his earlier posts on stating him trying to push discussion more. Hes trying to look like hes town pushing discussion, but it feels hes making it slow, or has brought up discussions that should not be discussed.

This could be TBE’s new playstylen, but his opening posts did feel off

@TheBlueElixir

what was everyone’s last played game

what did you learn from it?

61.5
That over reliance on good players is bad and that we shouldn’t be as trusting

@katze

Because a player was miscleared. I’m not sure why Katze was cleared that match and people pretty much ignored Ans after he bussed CRich.

I said we were misclearing someone and pointed to Ans being the miscleared one, but no one agreed with me until it was too late.

@Jane

Uh… gambler’s fallacy dictates this is likely a Cult game.

Jane is a WOLF WOLF WOLF (JK, and that’s enough meme posting)

@katze

Also Jane would probably look worse FMPoV if this is an Unseen game.

I could see that

@Arete

…I don’t see a difference

is that bad

I think there is a difference, don’t know if it’s a good or bad difference

@Arete

or I guess a better question would be ‘what do you see as being the difference’

It’s his whole tone, it seems off, which could come from a different playstyle, but I won’t dismiss it as just a “change of playstyle”

@katze

Seth looks villagery so far, but w/e.

I thought the same thing about Seth in 61.5, but I won’t act like Seth is scum right now

@Feathering

While I don’t know how to read Alice much, her attitude during today seems Towny and from where I came from she’s been acting with Town motives and wanting Town to stay on track.

She can fake that

@TheBlueElixir

warning: its only going to have like 2 actual reads

post em anyway

@TheBlueElixir

I didn’t expect to be barraged by half the game for not putting an hour into readslist ISOs made an hour into the game because Im not progressing the game state while chat is abnormally slow so early

I think you could form some possible scum teams and get quite a few reads off of what’s available

@katze

All I have to say is “lolRT” and suddenly my allegedly disingenuousness read is all okay?

You do know I will have a hard time ever trusting you

@Marshal

nah arete might not have randed villager

It’s possible, but I think there is possibly a wolf between you and Arete.

@katze

Meh, I think you’re prob V tbh. You’re not really trying to go UTR with your reads and you’re taking better stances.

Stuff like this makes me conflicted over TBE

@Feathering

Null reads seem pointless.

They mostly are late game

@Mercenary

I believe Blue is LHF/new enough on FM that it can be passed over.

Blue is usually pretty towny out of the gate, but no so much here.

@Arete

like … it’s the sort of post you write when you’re scum and trying to pocket someone? if that makes sense?

They did make an entire post reading merc as town, read into that as you will. It’s a possibility

@katze

I… was kind of expecting people to call me out on doing a 180 on my read on him with little explanation? I can’t tell if my fake read was too convincing or if there’s something else going on?

It’s kind of expected from you Katze

@CRichard564

as I don’t think he’s faking annoyance here.

Annoyance can be faked

@Arete

how much of this is just that she’s scumreading you

Katze and Marshal are never W/W here

This wall post in particular is what I’'m talking about.

@CRichard564

Hi Merc, who are your town reads so far?
Your scum reads too if you don’t mind?

@CRichard564

I could be imagining it, yet TBE seems to be acting a little different from his past town games.
TBE was obvious town in SFoL 61.5. Mind you I was starting wolf that game too, yet he hasn’t answered my question on who his town and scum reads are yet.

@CRichard564

So far I can safely eliminate Mercenary, AtNoName and possibly Feathered as starting group scum from their ISOs. Their ignorance over game mechanics shouldn’t be there if as group scum, their partners told them about the mechanics of this game.

@CRichard564

I’m think Katze is likely town from what I’ve said before. Once she stops memeing and starts being serious playing the game, that’s town Katze as I’ve seen before in ToS 2.

Like, these posts his Rich going through the thread, and reading people from their behaviour and interactions, which is pretty solid imo, nothing is wrong or sticking out from these posts to me, and nothing involving activity from these posts.

@CRichard564

I didn’t like your entrance as well. Though I suppose it was a little unfair to call you out for slanking when real life gets in the way.
Mind you, your entrance isn’t too different from SFoL 61.5 when you were town.

This is her first post when it comes to Activity being AI, but even then rich understands about RL stuff, and was mostly talking about Chesse`s entrance into the game.

@CRichard564

Yet so far FrostWolf has been slanking today.

@CRichard564

Probably real life stuff such as sleeping.

Talking about Frost not really having thread presence d1

again not scumreading it, but is assuming its RL stuff.

@CRichard564

If I didn’t know any better, he reminds me of his executioner game in ToS 2. He might be some kind of neutral.

This is the first time Rich does assume someones role based off activity (Which yea, isnt the best), and i know there are people who read others based off their activity, which is what Rich is doing here with Frost.

@CRichard564

Possessed being inactive when that is a scum tell isn’t a good look on his slot.
If anything I suspect the wolves are not controlling this thread.

@CRichard564

Where is Possessed? He made a comment about how I’ve improved my posting style and now he’s gone without providing reads? I’ve been told that activity tells can be used to read his slot .

Yeah Poss came in, complemented her posting style, then when she states that his inactivity is a scum tell (Inactivity is usually NAI imo), but afterwards Poss shade throws her for this post, and his behaviour and tone shifts quite noticeably after this post imo.

Like, there are only like 4 or 5 posts where CRich uses inactivity to read people, but the rest is her actually reading the thread, and people, and giving her thoughts on everything

It Feels natural, and nothing heavily pings me in anyway.

Townlean imo

[Frostwolf103]

Yeah I took my time to read into that