[Game Thread] Meowntainado (4/14) - Day 5 - Mafia Wins!

[Arete]

my ‘go do your real life job’ timer is going off, will answer further questions when I get back

until then I would like everyone who was present at EoD to explain their reasons for voting on the wagon they did – particularly curious about @Wendy since they mentioned trusting my read on Cabbages not being a wolf if Aelin is V, but they hadn’t really seemed to townread me before that as far as I can remember

[Arctic]

@Arete

until then I would like everyone who was present at EoD to explain their reasons for voting on the wagon they did

i started the aelin wagon and i had a stronger read on them than cabbage and so i feel like them flipping wolf would have been more of my own work

in other words
to fuel my ego

[Arctic]

@Arctic

i had a stronger read on them

i was more sure of them being a wolf

[Ketsuban]

/vote arctic

im not explaining this rn dont bother asking

ill do it later

[Marluxion]

@Arete

with that being said I did actually see Marshal’s flip before I posted my wallpost, my brain was like ‘oh no if I’m like “I had a case on Marshal” and don’t post the case people are going to assume I was just lying for cred’ so I decided to just post it anyways

in hindsight this was probably dumb

I WAS RIGHT

[Wendy]

Time to do some reading into interactions. I’ve never been this productive in a game ever so…I guess its good to try new things.

First, I’ll look at Cabbages treatment of Emilias slot.

Probably a good idea to hide this for convenience.

@cabbage

I’m still here, I’m trying to stay as quiet as possible as not to use too much of my 200 posts.

That being said, Emilia voting me for not being here is immediately suspicious, as is Hippolytus who did not say anything regarding their vote.

Cabbage misrepresents what Emilia does. To be honest, this points away from them being partnered, but I have more posts to go through anyway.

@Wazza

who’s in your towncore

@Marshal

me marl ketsuban eli and emilia

@cabbage

May I ask how you have so many people you are confident in?

@Marshal

feels like not enough personally to me

I just think they’re all town, im not that confident in some
I read their isos and came to the conclusion that they’re v

@cabbage

May I ask how you came to those conclusions, especially for emilia and ketsuban?
I’m reading the same things and not getting the same information from it.

Just a response of Marshal’s post. For starters, That isn’t even that many people in the first place. It’s 5. (4 INCLUDING them.) Weird question from cabbage to be honest but thats besides the point. They point out specifically Emilia and Ketsu. Noted.

@cabbage

My answer is that my opinion on Emilia hasn’t changed, and rather it worries me more that people seem to townread Emilia too easily. Nothing in her ISO deems any kind of townread in my opinion, and rather there are some actions that are indicative that she is mafia.

As for Eli, I’m at a similar position except I don’t think Eli has done anything outright scummy; people (I think it was Marshal?) immediately cleared Eli for existing and participating, which I still have a hard time accepting.

The last part was about a readlist - yes I do know what those are, but at this stage of the game, everyone is so clumped together any kind of tiering would be meaningless. All I can say is that I think Emilia is the most scummy and myself the least.

What I find strange here is the fact that they share a distaste towards Marshal’s townread on Eli, but they do not point out Eli with Ketsu and Emilia. This makes me wonder whether or not the pointing out of Ketsu and Emilia was done specifically for a reason. I would look between Ketsu/Emilia possibly for a wolf if Cabbage indeed does flip w. Im 80% confident in this. This also does look better for Eli to me personally.

To continue on in the first paragraph here, Cabbage never explains any of those actions that are w indicative to them. Don’t like that.

@cabbage

I’d like to discuss Emilia with you, since they are my greatest scumread right now and yet you read them as scum. I see that you are mostly reading Emilia as town for “her general combatative village meta” as well as calling out Daisy (another scumread of yours) on a post.

Have they played a game as mafia recently, and do they have significant differences when playing as one alignment over another? I’m not sure we should rely on people’s tones here since most people I know sound pretty much the same as either alignment.

@Marshal

not recently i dont think, we could have seen her wolf but someone posted their classcard so the game was reranded.

She used to have a super polarized wolf meta but i dont know how recent that is.

I am really just reading her on the metric of “when she argues, does it seem like she feels like shes in the right on the argument” and this game I see it. I think this post particularly

@cabbage

I think I understand what you’re saying, but their abrasiveness comes across to me as just their playstyle rather than indicative of their alignment, given that her other non-alignment indicative posts (throwing out unexplained reads for example) are given in a similar manner.

They point out their abrasiveness as coming across as only playstyle instead of genuinely being AI, yet there has been almost no updated read besides. “Emilia voting me for nothing is wolfy” At least at this point. Also, when Marissa replied to this, cabbage didn’t reply directly. Kinda just waving it off. They moved on to replying to my post on Eli. Noted. These posts actually are making me think of less Emilia/Cabbage W/W and more of literally Emilia ?? and Cabbage outright being a wolf.

@cabbage

Lastly, this suddem influx of votes on Aelin has only made me suspect Emilia more. They claim that I am their only scumread, and yet they seem okay with shifting their vote to Aelin, who happens to be voting me, with little justification. This makes me think that Emilia does not really believe in their scumread of me and just wants to vote out a villager.

Alright, nevermind. Im unsure if I believe this could be w/w anymore. This paragraph places the blame of Aelin’s wagon directly onto Emilia… I still have not been able to find a genuine post where Cabbage properly explains their scumread on Emilia which is more than just what looks to be OMGUS.

@cabbage

Emilia, who joined this flash wagon with zero explanation so far, is by far the acummiest individual right now.

This is again more of Aelin’s wagon being blamed on Emilia.

@cabbage

I’ve… struggled with this in the past, mainly because I am not sure how to fight it.

At this time, may I suggest the following?

/vote an_gorta_pratai @Chloe @sulit

This post gears me back into looking slightly bad for Emilia if Cabbage is W.

This really just has made me confused and unable to even figure out what I was originally trying to prove. Regardless, I’m completely mixed right now which sucks. Hopefully reading Emilias ISO will help me even the smallest amount.

Round two.

@Emilia

vote cabbage

commented on mech and insatly dipped

First vote. Doesn’t seem bad. Reasonable explanation from Emilias POV.

@Emilia

@cabbage

I’m still here, I’m trying to stay as quiet as possible

that makes it worse

@cabbage

Emilia voting me for not being here is immediately suspicious

wolfreading=bad

This doesn’t look too partnered or bad either. Just pressuring.

@cabbage

First of all, I’m not entirely sure how that makes it worse - I’m quite surprised that people are spending their posts posting only a couple of words that have little substance.

Secondly, why do you think wolfreading is bad…in a game where you’re supposed to catch the wolf? The most common behavior I’ve seen from wolves is to target easy-to-attack players, and I find your behavior similar to it.

This response intrigues me and made me think. “Would Cabbage not know that was sarcasm if they were partnered?” But then I realized someone I wolfed with before took a ton of my posts seriously as well in thread. I don’t know whether or not it was on purpose.

@Emilia

@cabbage

First of all, I’m not entirely sure how that makes it worse -

Because youre in the thread, but not actually present.

@cabbage

Secondly, why do you think wolfreading is bad…in a game where you’re supposed to catch the wolf?

You literally said I am a wolf for wolfreading you.

@cabbage

The most common behavior I’ve seen from wolves is to target easy-to-attack players, and I find your behavior similar to it.

So what I said

Now what I don’t understand is why Emilia isn’t correcting Cabbage or letting cabbage know what they said was sarcastic, and instead responded with something that is just. More confusing. I think I’m probably taking this much more deep than I should be so oof. Sorry.

@cabbage

I think “you’re calling me a wolf for wolfreading you” is a mischaracterization of my argument; if you said the same thing about any other individual who’s in the thread but not posting, I would’ve said the same thing and called you wolfy for it.

This response as well?? Just weirded me out even more? It’s like they just both forgot about what Cabbage said and they both knew It was sarcastic. This is such a dumb detail to point out but I quite literally genuinely think its genuinely weird that there was no correction or anything like that. What weirds me out even even more is the fact that Cabbage immediately has them stop arguing after that. And Emilia doesn’t contest or anything!

@Emilia

guess marshal/cabbage, marshal/aelin are not w/w

Emilia says Marshal/Cabbage is a thing but Marshal/Aelin is not. What confuses me after this is Emilia ended up voting Aelin at the end of the day instead of Marshal or Cabbage.

@Emilia

My current reads are

V
Hippo
Arete
Eli

W
Cabbage

Ask if you disagree with any or want me to expand on them.

No mention of Aelin or Marshal ?

Also there are more posts but I don’t really have an opinion on them which is why they aren’t in here. ^^

Emilia also doesn’t really change her reasoning either, when there is more Cabbage has done.

@Emilia

yes

@cabbage

This makes me think that Emilia does not really believe in their scumread of me

correct I am not feeling it and Aelin looked pretty bad.

This is where I heavily think they could be partnered. They randomly move to Aelin which weirds me out so bad that they suddenly are just not feeling it.

@Emilia

Idk I am just more confident on this one due to meta I guess.

@Emilia

If cabbage/aelin was W/W they would’ve prolly bussed aelin at this point.

@Emilia

is this a meme

All of these latest posts are just. Randomly moving to Aelin and having NO emotion towards cabbage which will convince others to move to them. Yeah. I dislike these two and the way they’ve interacted with eachother.

I need to eat. I’ve spent so long on this.

[Wendy]

/Vote Cabbage

[an_gorta_pratai]

what in the hell happened yesterday

[an_gorta_pratai]

/vote Cabbage wagons don’t just form out of nowhere

[an_gorta_pratai]

I’m disappointed in y’all about the Aelin wagon and then everyone just forgets about cabbage

[Wendy]

@Arete

from my experience with Mist (the player that Ketsuban is an alt of) she would generally only get sarcastic/snappy like that if she actually meant it

Ketsu is Mist? Did they claim that?

@Arete

with that being said I did actually see Marshal’s flip before I posted my wallpost, my brain was like ‘oh no if I’m like “I had a case on Marshal” and don’t post the case people are going to assume I was just lying for cred’ so I decided to just post it anyways

Oh okay. (Villagery post)

@Arete

@Wendy since they mentioned trusting my read on Cabbages not being a wolf if Aelin is V, but they hadn’t really seemed to townread me before that as far as I can remember

I thought you were vaguely towny. I don’t think I agree with that read anymore though.

@Ketsuban

/vote arctic

im not explaining this rn dont bother asking

ill do it later

Oh. Okay,

[an_gorta_pratai]

both Artic and Arete were pushing for Aelin of Cabbage, that’s where I would look first

[an_gorta_pratai]

*over

[an_gorta_pratai]

@Wendy why did you decide to jump to Aelin over cabbage out of nowhere?

[Wendy]

I trusted Marshal, Honestly.

[Wendy]

I do regret it though like a lot actually.

[an_gorta_pratai]

I need to find some supper, but I want to see reasons why people aren’t voting cabbage today

[an_gorta_pratai]

and why they jumped ship yesterday

[Wendy]

In the meantime Gorta. Opinions on anyone else?

[Arctic]

@Wendy

@Emilia

guess marshal/cabbage, marshal/aelin are not w/w

Emilia says Marshal/Cabbage is a thing but Marshal/Aelin is not. What confuses me after this is Emilia ended up voting Aelin at the end of the day instead of Marshal or Cabbage.

this read was given 200 posts into the game and clearly emilia changed their reads because in the post you quoted below they didn’t even mention marshal or aelin, so i don’t think this argument holds any merit

@Wendy

@Emilia

yes

@cabbage

This makes me think that Emilia does not really believe in their scumread of me

correct I am not feeling it and Aelin looked pretty bad.

This is where I heavily think they could be partnered. They randomly move to Aelin which weirds me out so bad that they suddenly are just not feeling it.

yeah this was by far the weirdest thing from emilia imo
i think they were pretty opportunistic with the aelin wagon
my next question is “how many other people does this apply to” because they can’t all be wolves

@an_gorta_pratai

both Artic and Arete were pushing for Aelin of Cabbage, that’s where I would look first

you’re literally shading me by preflipping cabbage wolf