I don’t think Prince whisper games are as much of an issue given the shear number of ways to bypass protections. Every NK can do it including the Possessor.
What we need for 1.1
Aristocrat, MM, Apostle should each be able to see whispers differently
Allowing scum to see whispers on a large scale would certainly bring up the risk factor of mass whispering.
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The whisper meta is not OP, it can be countered by proactive evils who have a plan. However proactive evils are as rare as good players hence all the silly complaints about whispering.
In a game I played yesterday, Cult Leader whispered King day 1 that he was Prince, and kept him updated on his fake jailings. When real Prince finally claimed, King outed him as fake Prince, Cult Leader killed him, then Good King was blamed for Prince’s death and executed.
That’s just one extreme example of the whisper meta getting outplayed. Be creative folks, come up with plans in night chat, and don’t just sit around all day waiting for an investigative to whisper King that you came up Cult.
I can’t believe you genuinely think the whisper meta is fun or healthy for the game.
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Your argument can go both ways though
If the BD players were smarter they’d be even better at exploiting the whisper meta and the scum would no longer stand a chance
You can’t argue that scum should be smarter without giving the BD that same boost, as the side of any individual player is random.
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If that’s the case then my bad. But ingame I always find the players who complain about whisper meta when they get executed on trial actually got executed because they played terribly and not because the meta is OP or anything … Too many people think as evil they can just sit around and not do anything during the day and win, while in the meantime investigatives are whispering King and outting them.
My main problem isn’t that whispers are too OP when someone is confirmed (they are but it’s a symptom of a bigger problem). But rather the fact that King is too trustworthy for anyone else other than Prince to try to lead.
Before the whisper meta was first a thing I used to try and lead the game as any class I could get my hands on. I’m a physician who just cured someone’s poison?
“Hey everyone I’m confirmed. CW and Phys on me. Oh hey Assassin thought be could poison me, that’s cute. Btw 6 can back me up I cured his poison. Now everyone claim to me immediately.”
I’ve even done things like that as classes like Drunk or Knight. Hunter and Psychic are the best at this though.
However post King whisper meta I could out as Psychic and have a CW on me, multiple people backing me up and a telepathy as my method of outing and I would STILL be laughed off in favor of Whispering the king.
So you are complaining that King is the best leader besides Prince? Isn’t that what King is supposed to be?
Then what should he be? A person who gets claims can execute people if they don’t obey… sounds like a good leader
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I am complaining that he is so much better that everyone else is excluded from trying.
Someone who can gather information, like the Psychic Mystic.
What it shouldn’t be is an unfakeable powerhouse.
Yeah.
And then we should turn Mystic into a neighborizor so it’s not the same.
Tbh Mystic should be a neighborizor regardless of Prince changes.
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Town night chat.
Basically a BD class that can add people to a private chat at night, like the Unseen/Cult have.
Okay words… understand none of this. I sometimes watch y’all do FOL and I learn stuff.
Oh and the job of a BD Killer is to lead. Not to make someone live for less time. Trials do that better and more accurately.
It’s the job of the hunter and prince, its the reason why OE has a place on King and it would be the job of Knight if he wasn’t half support and had a kill that doesn’t work on BD.
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Only the King should fill that role though. It’s a class that is meant to lead. The fact that Prince can do the King’s job while being always good makes it strictly Superior to the King.