How to Make Maid a Reality in ToL

I think most players would agree that they’d love to see some iteration of Maid/parity cop in the actual online game of Throne of Lies.

For the forum readers who do not participate in Forum of Lies, the Maid is an unofficial investigative class similar to a traditional Parity Cop that determines if the alignment of two different targets are of the same alignment or not. A Maid who checks an Unseen player A and checks Blue Dragon player B would get a feedback of “not compatible” and the Maid would know one of those players is almost certainly not a member of BD (unless you can frame like a pro like PKR.)

Let’s look at the current iteration of maid in FoL:

The Maid is by far the most powerful Investigative class in FoL, and it is also one of the most easily faked, making it a great and interesting class overall. Matchmake is a beast of an ability and gives a huge amount of information - very few night abilities can discover 2 scum claims in a single night, and Matchmake is one of them for clever BD players. Poke Around is a strictly better Flirt, and Service is a great ability to sniff out false Princess claims.

Only the Observer is truly comparable in power to this current iteration of Maid. I think in order to be more in line with the power level of Sheriffs, Paladins and Princesses, some small tweaks should be necessary.

The Maid has outperformed all of its investigative counterparts in every FoL game its been in. This is largely due to Matchmake, and its singular ability to quickly find non-BD players and to also find compatible BD players to clear the suspicion cast on them.

If the Maid were to enter ToL, I think Maids would be destroying every game they’d be in. The sample of FoL games is very low, so it is difficult to truly determine the strength of the Maid, but I think most FoL players would agree that the class is very powerful.

There are certain “rules” of compatibility that comes along with Matchmake. These rules would be difficult to fit into the Maid player card. Not only would it be difficult for it to be fit inside the card, but it would introduce a lot of burden of knowledge for new players. While incredibly fun and interesting, the Maid is also incredibly complex and has a high skill floor. Something to think about for new players coming into the game.

My proposed change is to either;

1. Limit the uses of Matchmake to 3 or 4

Matchmake is just plain powerful. A Maid that lives to Day 8 is probably gamesolving by themselves.

2. Matchmake (Night) - Investigate a player and see if they left their room that night. You will know if the alignment of the next player you successfully investigate is the same as your previous target (infinite uses.)

This turns Matchmake into a sort of “leap frog” ability where the results of your next match are going to be entirely dependent on who you investigated the night before. This approach allows Matchmake to be used without limit, but nerfs the ability. I didn’t want to nerf it too hard, so I added the small ability to see if somebody left their room that night. Just a little icing to help ease the pain of losing a match per night.

Overall, the Maid would be a very exciting type of class that would create engaging lines of plays from ToL players. However, it faces challenges of being too convoluted and possibly overpowered.

Curious to hear your guys’ thoughts (especially the FoL players!)

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Eh, my initial thoughts on it are a bit sketchy, but I’ll give it a read

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I like Matchmake but I’d like it to match players based on gender. Since most classes would presumably be classified as the gender they appear to be in their artwork, it would be easy to learn the few exceptions and wildcards.

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That’s just a non-comparible class at that point.

Maids core consept is a parity cop in ToL

lol

Incoming shitstorm about gender politics if that happens

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Um excuse me, I’ll have you know that the princess identifies as an apache attack helicopter.

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Honestly I highly doubt that

Well it would definitely be a shit ability

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Gender Matchmake?

Yes

Wdym I need to know the difference between a princess and a reaper

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Eh you’re right, after some thought I could only think of 4 common fake-claims that it would be able to find:

Sorcerer/Sellsword (Female) claiming Butler (Male).

Mastermind/Scorned (Female) claiming Sheriff (Male).

It would not even be able to find Assassin unless he changed claim to a different gender class.

Mastermind isn’t female

More importantly. It COMPARES players. It does not tell you the result of one player

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Oh well, I thought the Mastermind looked slightly more female than male. Hard to tell. Anyway, I’m aware it compares players. But it’s relatively easy to find someone to compare to; e.g. a D1 Alch claim is probably female.

I definitely think maid should be added given that pretender is coming in and has a distinct lack of a claim, now with RB checks on a BD class it adds another layer to investigations, with pretender having RB checks to use in her fake-claims

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Oooh, good point. Maid would be a great Pretender fakeclaim.

here’s what i’m looking at:

Maid

Blue Dragon Investigative

Service (Day) - At the end of the day, you will learn if your target has royal blood. - 2 uses

Poke Around (Night) - Look in someone’s chambers to determine their class type. - 2 uses

Matchmake (Night) - Match your target with the previous person you targeted. You will learn if the two are “compatible”. You will learn your first successful target’s class type - Infinite uses
Blue Dragon Goal

Converts to:

Handmaiden

Unseen Investigative

Service (Day) - At the end of the day, you will learn if your target has royal blood.- 2 uses.

Poke Around (Night) - Look in someone’s chambers to determine their class type. - Infinite uses

Extra Cleaning (Night) - Remove a player’s logs from their corpse when they die. - 1 use
Unseen Goal

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Pretty sure you don’t need the class type thing