Is Cult a bit too powerful at the moment?

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#1

It just seems they are very hard to pin down , particularly if the king is neutral or evil .

A typical game

2 cult
9 bd
1 nk
3 neuts
1 king

turn 1 convert , and neutral killer gets a bd

3 cult
7 bd
1 nk
3 neuts
1 king

at this point if they can get the neuts on board they already have a majority

next turn kill on bd from cult , nk gets a random

3 cult
6 bd
1 nk
3 neuts
1 kning

turn 3

4 cult
4 bd
1 nk
3 neuts
1 king .

I know this is an extreme example by turn 3 but its not really implausible .

It can be pretty hard if you don’t have many investigators , you can try scum reading but often these games have very little room to create cracks .

How has everyone else’s win rates been in cult games since latest patch ?

#2

If you’re going to use the absolute worst case scenario, so will I.

Night 1 CL dies to Smite and the other Cult dies to a random Alch emerald potion.

Buff the Cult!

#3

Or, just make more BD and less Neutrals overall

2 max Neutral non-killings would go a long way, or even just heavily reducing the chances of 3 NNKs

#4

The chance of your scenario is pretty slim to not existent.

However with my version although it sometimes takes 5 turns rather than 3 it is pretty likely to happen .

My experience post last patch with cult , either when I played as or against was that about 6-7 cult wins and 1 bd win

#5

Cult do tend to be stronger Imo. I’d prefer if neutrals in 16 player games was reduced to 2-3 and there was cap on only a Max of 2 neutral killers, and neither possessor or reaper were unique and they win together.

#6

The main thing your post shows is how NK makes the game super luck based. If they randomly target 1 or 2 bad guys during the game, its SO MUCH easier for BD than if they never kill one. I wish they would removes NKs. Games were more fun whitout them.

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#7

Your scenario requires successful conversion both times (something pretty rare), successful killings, and the NK not killing any cult. I do agree that cult luck based

#8

the conversion and killing rate has gone u a bit without the priest .
the thing with the scenario is it may instead take 5 turns to reach the same point , but it still edges in that direction , with maybe only 1 or 2 investigators it can be pretty tough to find anything at all in those turns .

#9

Cult’s weaknesses:

  • If BD find the CL, they can just jail/occupy him until investigators find the rest of the cult
  • cannot kill and convert in the same night
  • Must sacrifice own members to kill
#10

Lol I have never been in a game where jailing the Cult Leader has happened . I try and tell people about the idea , but the hordes are like baying wolves that just cant see second level thinking .

Its all , he bad , we kill !!!

#11

There does need to be a way for the CL to suicide or something

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#12

I was thinking he could be able to sacrifice himself, but new CL only gets 1 eradicate from it.

#13

there is a reason for why they keep Cult games away from beginners lel

#14

Couple things. First off, several classes are immune to conversion. Also cult could hit Neutrals. Second off, You are ignoring abilities of bd in the mix. Debauch, Sacrifice, Mercenary, Butler - All these affect the odds.

Theres more to it, but if you want to work out the probablilities, you need to work out ALL of the variables.

#15

I get there are different ways this plays out but generally the issue i am checking is everyone else experiencing high win rates for cult att moment ?

#16

Cult tends to be more resilient than unseen, but they win much slower too