Literally a neutral physician. It’s bad, few people like being it, they king make too much, and more.
Time to say goodbye to alch and get a better neutral survivor
Adding more NNKs and reducing Alch’s spawn rate seems like a better solution
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I like Alchemist, it’s an interesting role. What the role should be is a highly diplomatic and social role. You need to satisfy the BD enough so they don’t lynch you, while not pissing off the unseen/cult enough to be worth killing. I think that’s really cool. It’s not quite there yet, but I don’t think that’s due to the mechanics, I think it’s due to the BD’s ‘neuts outs’ mentality. I think that will change as people improve at the game.
With the only class in the game able to hear whispers right now being evil, Alchemists are very useful for unseen/cult, too. Yea, it’s risky to contact them as the alch might sell you out, but it’s also often work the risk.
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Why do you think that? It’s not really a discussion when you don’t explain your position.
Definition of Alchemist; from Google
a person who practices alchemy.
“phosphorus was discovered by German alchemist Hennig Brand in 1669”
a person who transforms or creates something through a seemingly magical process.
"some highly imaginative tax shelters dreamed up by the accounting alchemists
You really don’t know how valuable a proven alchemist is to BD. They cant be converted making them the only ones you can really trust especially as most will try to help BD and their healing is very useful. You get the ones that make the rest of alchs look bad because they just kill who they want then get lynched but the majority will try to help BD and people should be more open to cooperate with them.
I do agree with orangeandblack5 that there needs to be a more diverse selection of NK’s to spice things up and make it more unpredictable but I’m sure in time that will come.
Honestly if you ask me, the entire problem for alcs right now, is the king. Kings are basically exe’d if they don’t find something in their first 4 days, and that leads them to quickly toss the first neut they find under the bus, regardless of their alignment or personal feelings on it.
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I think that’s more BD’s issue of thinking the king has ultimate investigative abilities, the king gets called evil every single game even when they are trying their hardest to help.
Well in a way the king does have the ultimate investigative ability… Not in it’s power level (though to an extent you could say it is). But the biggest thing is, the king has a concrete “you can’t doubt that I actually have investigative abilities”. Which is more than can be said for any other classes in the game. Unless another investigative backs (and you also somehow can confirm that other investigative), you can’t seperate a MM, assasain, Scorned, and sheriff. You may not really know which side the king is on. But you at least can’t really doubt that he actually is capable of making the check.
You are accused by a sheriff or observer claim, you at least can put up your logs, try and call the accuser scorned etc… Get called out by the king… well you’re screwed.
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Yeah he for sure has the most influence and his investigative power is equal to or better than others but people expect way too much from kings, there is no guarantee for the king to ever find a single enemy with the limited power he has and people always assume that means hes evil. Also when a king orders to vote a BD to be executed everyone says evil king but most of the time it isn’t a evil king as 99% of evil kings wont just out themselves just to kill 1 BD.
In my opinion the most important factor in being a good king is to use your influence to gain knowledge from everyone and really vocally making an effort rather than relying on your abilities to prove yourself.
Why are we still posting for this topic? The guy seems to be a troll, just hates the roll, but wont say anything about it?
Alch has made a comeback as a liked class recently, depending on how you play it. If he wont post his reasoning for why alch needs changed/removed, just ignore him…
Sir you are factually wrong.
Seriously Alch is a fine class as is, it just needs some good alchemist players to show it’s an incredibly advanced class.
I have to agree. I really dislike Alchemist and the ‘meta’ that’s been adapted around them. They simply have it too good right now, IMO.
If you can survive to mid game you’re just about guaranteed a win. They can’t be converted, be bled or poisoned. They can kill twice, heal, are given 4 nights of immunity if the Prince decides to not execute them. And last but not least: they are a swing vote for ANY faction.
Alch players are some of the skeeziest I’ve seen in this game. But you can’t kill them because you’re better off focusing on those from the opposing faction. Just a meh class through and through.
To be honest, with the above said I miss the “neuts out” meta. At least then you had to actually sometimes LIE (In a game of deceit!) to survive. Now though, again it’s essentially “hey guys I’m alch”. -puts on impunity sunglasses-
The ‘neuts out’ mentality is just so stupid whats even the point of any non NK neutral if they all die as soon as they get revealed, especially since there can only be 1 NK in a game now there just isn’t a need to ‘kill to be sure’
On top of that a lot of the time the NK will pretend to be an alchemist which means it isnt just smooth sailing until the NK is dead.
Well, Lets take on the neuts:
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alch- can be very important, but half of them just yolo kill and side with unseen whenever they can. They tend to be good for BD only if the king is also good. If they claim alch after the king investigation there is no reason not to kill them im my opinion.
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Merc- should always be voted out unless if he is a merc for prince/sheriff/paladin as mercs can be converted and can be a merc for evil, even MM. Also, i’ve seen MM who claims to be merc of assasians.
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scorned- always have to frame BD. Can be kept around after they have already won.
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fool- well…
5 reaper, posessor- they are good, you should keep them.