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#44134

ok
in terms of flavor
tf2 fm
thats what sparked this idea for me

im thinking 15 players, 7v7v1. an nk of some sort to get the ball rolling
open setup
maybe semi open, with 9 possible rolls
but regardless, both sides will have the same set of roles

#44135

How does scumreading work when you just have 2 uninformed majorities?

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#44136

i dont know how scumreading works for yall normally. i cannot answer that question

#44137

i know the theory, but not in any complex sense
so i cant answer questions about a new environment.

#44138

Scumreading is centered around detecting TMI however you can
With no informed minority, there is no TMI
so it’s not really FM

#44139

society

#44140

they’re not uninformed though
neither are they informed
equally informed.
they would both know like 3 random people (mutually random, so its not masons or someth) where like 1-2 of them are allies.
something like that.
and it fits the format of fm in how it functions, so im calling it that.

#44141

They’re both uninformed
Informed means you know who your teammates are and thus have TMI
TMI is the only thing that distinctifies town from scum socially at the start

#44142

Fun fact
In simon’s game
Nobody has an incentive to lie other than the 1 nk

#44143

yeah they do.
if they out themselves as one faction the other faction will shoot them at night.
both have kill power obv.

they’re not uninformed though
they have knowledge of their fellow teammates, and therefore are necessarily somewhat informed. they are just not fully informed

#44144

All 7 immediately claim and the other 7 immediately claim as well

Since if you lie your reward is that you get shot at, especially since both sides are uninformed

So it’s nk kingmaker for their first shot, then that faction judt wins

#44145

not uninformed.

#44146

that’s not FM like at all

a 7v7v1 is a misc game at best, there’s not that much classic deduction involved and is more of a team game

#44147

and anyways i dont think it will work out like that.
i really dont
but please dont yell about it for the basis of the setup. your just arguing that this thing shouldnt exist at all rather than how it should work or whatever.
and thats pointless.

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#44148

It’s fine existing
We’re just saying that by definition, it is not a form of FM

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#44149

and im saying that it functions like one mechanically, so im calling it that.
im not considering what yall are apparently considering at all

#44150

So 7 ppl kbow each other + 7 ppl kbow each other + 1 noot

Noot is easily discoverable since both sides will see them as not scum

Each side will attack each other until one side screws up, then bombs away

So you cant lie if each faction knows each other already

#44151

just like
in the day theres an exe
in the night theres a bunch of actions

the format is similar

#44152

the social factor is much more important to the definition of FM than the mechanical factor
imho

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#44153

not informed either