Make King Great Again

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#1

I’ve made this account only to post this.

The worst mistake you have ever done was changing the king skill (allies to execution).
Before the rework, king actively needed to use hes investigation skill to proove that his a good king, leaving his protection to knights and physician. An useless king would not be popular amoung its people and would receive no protection, leaving he the choise to guard itself and further down is approval rate, or use allies to find an evil and execute it in public, regaining the kingdom trust.

The old king relies on its connection with others players, and the most satisfying moment was finding an evil with allies skill, execute him on the next day and earn the kingdoms trust, knowing that you could rest assured that night because you had knights and physicians on your back. Also if you had princes trust and he whispered you, you could guard the prince while the knights and physicians would protect you, keeping the prince identity hidden.

Not only that, but and evil king would also be more active, when finding an evil with allies skill and whispering him, forging an alliance and working together with the evil team.

Nowdays, the king is worthless, only thing they do is guard theirselves and maybe execute someone whos acting weird. Also i’ve never seen an evil king cooperate with the evil team, mostly because theres no way for then to find each other, except in those cases where theres 4 or less people left and king openly claim being evil.

Before the rework, the king was a leader, and had to proove its merit, now its just a isolated class who dont interact with anyone. I understand that executing king was common before the rework, but for me that was just part of the role, and if not, can be easely adressed.

I strongly belive that if you revert king, the prince meta would end, and king would be a fun and skillfull class again.

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#2

Hmmm, here is a thing buddy behind all changes and reworks there were a reasons, why they did in the first place.

Same thing was with King’s Allies. This abillity made a situation when everyone was following King AKA if he found scum/neutral then he got most of the times got executed without a question. It was very unfun expierence for those who were exposed by Allies since there is simply almost no way to counter it.

On the other hand, changing Allies to Execution’s also wasn’t that great so there was dozens thread’s about how you can solve this problem so i would suggest check them out and even promote them if you feel that’s the way to go. I assure you reverting this change would make a game even worse and if you even stop “Whisp Prince Meta” that would be simply replaced with old one which isn’t more fun than this.

Founding a scum with random faction check didn’t require any skill to begin with. :man_shrugging:

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#3

Yea just to say the OP is wrong everyone hated allies.

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#4

King should not be an investigator

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#5

King should also not be a killer tbh

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#6

I liked the old king ngl. But the issue was they were heavily relied on for starters. Secondly, king has no more allies, execute them. King found no evil. Execute them. This way is better, albiet, tbey should not have a killing ability

#7

But it’s not as bad as investigation

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#8

Yh I know but ideally King should not be doing either

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#9

But then they whine it’s ‘Boring’

#10

Yeah what they said

Order Execution isn’t good

But Allies was worse

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#11

Tbh these comments are exactly what I wanted to say

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#12

King I would think to be either a social or support class rather than an investigative and killing class.

Maybe a new ability if King was to be reworked is giving king something that can support their faction (Good or Evil) or something socially, whatever that may mean.

#13

Second basically the whole group… Social deduction… generally implies some extent of trying to figure out who is what. Most situations wind up with an accuser, and an accused, and the BD’s challenge is to find out who is telling the truth, and who is lying.

First 4 days of allies king though… and it’s just total RNG, if the king finds you as not BD, you dead… there’s no real discussing it… you can’t claim the king isn’t a king… Really an evil king wouldn’t suiccuse before day 5. So there’s no discussion, no strategy… the only real semi-defense, is to claim neutral early game. Which is of course just signing up to be the first suspect when leads get thin.

I do agree, executing king is kind of an obnoxious change… but investigating king is IMO so much worse.

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#14

My idea is this:

Day ability - Select target. Only yourself and target can be voted to trial today.

It would allow king to more accurately control the discussion and random voting, be useful for good king to help stop split votes and dumb towns, and be useful for evil king to protect evil comrades (but possibly at the expense of your lynch).

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#15

I say my idea it’s just a role I read on some wiki but it would work well on king imo.

#16

Interesting

#17

Oh shit, making the King a Gladiator???

That’s a unique concept

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#18

THIS is cool.

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#19

Very interesting concept. Is this an unlimited ability? How does it work mechanically with point finger and decide fate?

In practical application in the mid-game phase (i.e., excluding late game), won’t this 95% of the time be used as a pre-trial force pardon? Most of the time, a king will be using it to protect a specific player that people are putting up for trial, and the response from court will be that it is evil king.

Should king using this ability change the votes required to put king up (royal advantage)?

#20

Back in the day king was very hard to play.

It wasnt just randomly use allies, you needed to check your claims and find the most suspect person to investigate, while also choosing carefully whenever to protect yourself, prince (or a good target like a confirmed sheriff) or investigate.
Also if you were evil king, you couldnt just execute no one and hope to live long, often times evil teams would accept to sacrifice a member to ensure kings aprooval rate.
Neutral kings would have to play both cases, choosing if either execute a evil you found or working with them, and changing sides with games flow.

Todays king is just an alchemist on steroids.