Make the game more about deceit

#1

I think the current game main problem is that you can’t lie before the critical stage of the game:
When you win if your suggested target get voted out.

There are 2 ways to fix this:

  1. People who get executed won’t get their class revealed until the end of the game.
  2. the mm/cl will have a day ability that will do (1) for 1 day (3 uses).

Sure, this can be added with a buff to bd (for example, add unique unconvertable sheriff, that now unseen can claim they are!) , but this can make the game much more interesting.

MM dead? noone knows. the outed sheriff is the real sheriff? noone know, there are still a possessor/reaper? The drunk lied?

Edit, as you suggested, there is a third option
Day ability: Defile(mm,cl)- make a player executed at day appeared like another class (3 uses), can be used on yourself.

#2

This would be really drastic. You’d have to completely rebalance everything.

It might be nice to have a Janitor Esq class to do this however.

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#3

Well yeah, I know its drastic, that why I suggest it will come with a buff to BD

#4

What if we replaced 2 for 1 with a kill that cleaned the body?

#5

I want to see more defile Ability’s. I feel like one of the best things we can add is a day Defile. Probably on Ritualist and Sage or something.

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#6

I think it would make it more interesting if it was a straight out clean.

#7

I think it’s funner, more interesting and involves more skill if you get the option to select a class. Many if not most defiles I see are not believable.

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#8

Yeah but they’re funny. Nothing beats the 3rd Fool death.

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#9

A trial clean would certainly be interesting. To a night kill that pretty much would eliminate the possibility it is unseen… but a day ability used during the execution vote, could be very interesting.

#10

Added your suggestion.
I don’t think bd need it at day, it will be used by trolls and I don’t think its a good idea.

For me, it should be used by mm and cl, but you can’t add it to cult leader, seeker is another option (seeker needs it more because a converted paladin needs to show that he can still find cult members)

#11

Seeker and sage then? Because I don’t want MM, Assassin or CL to have a move that powerful and it is relitively common for there to be an Herbalist or Sage in an Unseen game.

#12

Though they are an interesting mechanic, I found cleans in ToS to be just frustrating and annoying to play with.

Defile is one of my favorite abilities in the game, though, and I would love more of that kind of tomfoolery.

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#13

Its not common to have those because alot of the time you don’t have 3 unseen members.
The point is being able to lie in the game. Your idea is to claim later: “no it was a sage”, those claims will just get you killed anyway because it’s rare to have a sage, and in the games you have a sage the sherif will just be executed after he find an unseen, and the mm will be alive until the end.

So when you are giving it to sage, the unseen will be super poweful with sage, and weak without a sage

It should be given to mm/seeker or mm/cl, and come with a buff to BD.