Mastermind's Spy

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#21

Fair point, but if whispering is discouraged too much then king becomes boring.

#22

It’s also turbo can’t really expect people to do that tbh

#23

Despite all the negative feedback, I really love the idea. I feel that this solution fixes multiple problems. A) being that Unseen can sometimes fail multiple converts costing them to lose the game, B) the “meta’s” such as prince meta and king meta. And the amount of uses is really balanced. Since it only works if Unseen fails convert

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#24

I feel like this ability is too strong to be on a guaranteed class. Make it like old maid spy that works on a target. That way Aristocrat is still useful

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#25

That way it still does it’s job without being stronger than it needs to be

#26

Why do you say it is strong? It only works if a convert fails?

#27

I think this would not be a healthy solution on the game.

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#28

I mean why do you think so? Others have given their reasoning

and @NuclearBurrito how about 2-target that can still select King

#29

It is a guaranteed class in Unseen. Given the average number of failed converts in a game that is as good as having an aristocrat. However since you don’t actually need an aristocrat to use the ability it makes the class redundant.

Thus this kind of ability needs to be as weak as it can be while still fulfilling it’s purpose. Making it 1 target player (including king) is a great way to do that.

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#30

Because the current Maid Spy already defeats the purpose of whispers, we don’t need to worsen the problem.

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#31

Maid Spy lets Nobles hear them, not scum factions

#32

We don’t want to discourage neuts from cooperating

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#33

Noots in!

Though I feel like evils should have a way to see whispers but not good people.

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#34

Agreed, which is why the maid spy should be reverted for Noble but scum should keep the new maid spy. The old spy could use a buff though(like making it work like sheriff’s scout and/or being able to target king)

#35

I don’t think it would be good to target King for Nobles, because that’s basically where all the whispers go to D2, and also prevents Evil Kings from cooperating with their factions

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#36

Alright, but would the other changes be fine?

#37

but Maid Spy is a Night Ability

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#38

I never said anything about making it a day ability, I just meant that it should remain on its target until you change targets

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#39

hey were you lurking my idea on discord!!
Well, I like the idea of MM having a whisper reading ability. I plan to make a deep analysis thread about all the whisper mechanic, metagame and abilities soon and was gonna put that idea in there.
Also putting it together with not converting is pretty good, a reward for the saddest thing in this game rn at least

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