Merc is far too powerful when contacted to Cult/Unseen

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 3:47pm

That seems cool

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 3:48pm

I would like rebound to become a straight up: Kill target player

Firekitten · April 27, 2018, 3:49pm

Orr

You keep the funny part of being a alch. Claim bleeding. Rebound. Now they need you

RawkHawk · April 27, 2018, 3:50pm

Why would we prevent non attacking players for the Sellsword? I don’t think it’d be overpowered, as it only affects Knight, NK, and Hunter.

Otherwise I like it a lot. I think I’d still give them something to help survive, maybe a day ability like stone skin. Their basic goal is still to “survive” since they have to see the opposite faction lose.

Firekitten · April 27, 2018, 3:50pm

I’m pretty sure preventing kills as a person who wants the evils to win is…

Firekitten · April 27, 2018, 3:52pm

And it wins with Nk

Ellie · April 27, 2018, 3:52pm

But they don’t need to survive to win.

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 3:52pm

It prevents investigative classes too you know.

RawkHawk · April 27, 2018, 3:55pm

Okay. It’s not “survive to see the Blue Dragon lose” just “See the Blue Dragon lose”. Never mind, I have no problems with it. I assumed they had to be alive.

RawkHawk · April 27, 2018, 3:56pm

I think I get why it doesn’t prevent attacks, since they want to not guard BD from attacking NKs, Cult Leaders, or Assassins.

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 4:21pm

Or you can make it a psudo-WoF

NightX · April 27, 2018, 4:26pm

That makes the class basically aligned to one of the factions, but can win with NK.

It isn’t really neutral, with that you may as well make them BD and Unseen/Cult respectively.

Ellie · April 27, 2018, 4:32pm

Half of the Neutrals people have posted in the Neuts topic have been Anti-BD.

Pretty much every neutral is going to favor one faction over the other.

Alch and Inq are generally more favorable to the BD.

Fool and Scorned are more favorable to the Evils.

Ellie · April 27, 2018, 4:34pm

The only true neutral is a class that just sits there and only has to survive with only abilities that help them survive.

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 5:07pm

I’d consider a class that hurts both sides to be True Neutral in some situations. However overall that line of reasoning gives you the NK’s which we already have. Combine that with “Make the BD fall” being one of the most interesting standard wincon for a neutral and it’s no wonder everyone is suggesting then.

TLDR: I agree with you and I know why that is. Even my Merchant class which is more neutral than most is fairly Scum Sided.

Ellie · April 27, 2018, 5:08pm

Even with a true neutral class, it’ll generally end up trying to help the BD at first, because that’s the safer option.

Unknown · April 27, 2018, 5:15pm

However that means that these classes cannot make BD or Unseen/Cult win if they alone survive. They can win even when everyone else is wiped out.

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 5:22pm

I’ve done my best to make that a bad idea for the Merchant at first by making his wincon require going against the winning team. However that’s still not True Neutral even if it is closer.

So ya. It’s a shame but it’s still not that bad anyways.

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 5:23pm

Along with Livicus of course.

NuclearBurrito · April 27, 2018, 5:27pm

I’ve mentioned this before but I would want an: Anti King, Anti BD and a True Neutral (as close as possible) Obviously we can’t do all of them at once (right?) so it would take time but still.