[Minor Rework] King's Day role

Right now King plays very straightforward during the day that people have started to figure them out. I have drafted a simple formula for it:

King doesn’t use finger? They’re evil.

This applies to almost every case. King upping a non-claimer without finger? He’s evil because he could be upping Prince. Worried of Possessor? Use finger. With the fear of evil kings growing and the infinite use of finger, the King is practically obligated to use it every single time.

What would be the solution to this?

One thing I have in mind is making King’s finger a passive ability for the King, making every King vote count for two (or maybe even three) votes. No longer King would be restricted to using finger or a thumb, and thus would be able to give the L to all possible Princes. This would also free up a day ability slot for any future King buffs (although we shouldn’t really give a crap about two ability slot maximums).

What would be the outcome of this?

  • People would be less inclined to immediately follow the King up on putting someone up without reason.
  • Possessor would not be immediately blown by his inability to finger
  • King would be able to win certain 1v2 situations if he has abilities available (which in turn encourages killing the King as evils if required).
  • If needed, a new day ability can be given to the King.

What problems would this pose?

  • King without Decide Fate versus two enemies turns into a clicking contest. Possible solution: Make King lose second vote if he has already slammed.
  • King versus Possessor + 1 turns into a clicking contest. Possible solution: Choose which one should win at those moments and stick with it. Let one of them vote earlier. (I think there’s a predecessor to letting Possessor vote instantly, and since Possessor may want to pretend to be force voted, I think he should be allowed to vote instantly when the day starts. Alternatively you could let King win this situation since jumping into Kings without consequences would be a huge buff for Possessors.)

In the end, I think the King has become mechanically a bit stale. Right now he’s there to take whispers and people are just blindly following them. Any action the King does is done out of necessity, rather than choice. Giving them more power (and therefore making him a little more feared) would make people think a little more critically and make their own decisions.

I am perfectly aware that this would break EK win rates for the first week after the patch, but I feel like people would learn quickly to not follow King blindly.

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King winning 1v2 is unbalanced, don’t make that happen :confused:

/fullsupport for Head of State doublevote

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While this system is used in FM, I don’t think King should be able to win 1v2 in most scenarios.

This doesn’t mean King wins instantly in 1v2. He only wins if he has saved a thumb for executing the first guy and a guard to save himself from the other guy.

I disagree

If you don’t make the King a pivotal point of the game, why have them at all?

Plus just make it so they lose their double-vote if they use Decide Fate.

Bam.

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Ok I like this.

It actually does

Doublevote a guy up and then execute

Getting rid of the doublevote after DF helps with this a lot

Okay, so if King slams he’d lose his passive and would be unable to win 1v2. Sounds actually good to me tbh

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But even if King votes up Unseen #1, Unseen #2 can still pardon unless King forces execute.

Exactly

Decide Fate

At that point it would just be a ‘who can click the fastest’ contest.

Making king lose double vote after would prevent the 1v2 madness

Makes sense. I need to compile some of these into a problem sheet.

Agreed, King would passively have 2 votes until he uses Decide Fate, then he’d have a single vote until the end of the game. Good change.

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Wait.

What if there is only one BD left after doing that? Hostage scenario.

GK vs 2 scum = Scum win. This should always be true.
EK vs 2 BD is a bit more flexible but should be considered MyLo

Losing HoS on DF maintains this

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Been suggesting it for like a year :man_shrugging:

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We can make 1v1’s against BD auto resolve in the non-kings favor when he can’t vote

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