[Misc] Blood on the Forums IV: Glimpse of the Future (Evil Wins)

[katze]

Luxy (Resident) TR
DatBird (Resident) N
Italy (Traveler – Bishop) TL
Wazza (Traveler – Voudon) Lockscum
Amelia (Traveler – Matron) SL
KyoDaz (Resident) SL
Icibalus (Traveler – Icibalus) TR
clonedcheese (Resident) Locktown
Apprentice (Resident) SL
Hippolytus (Resident) Locktown
Mist1422 / Chemist1422 (Resident) SL
Redrover (Resident) TR
katze (Traveler – Deviant) N
Priestess (Resident) Locktown
Napoleon (Resident) Locktown
Geyde (Resident) Lockscum
MukuroIkusaba / Alice (Resident) Lockscum

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[Napoleon]

@Luxy

@Napoleon

See maybe it’s a mislynch set up by Geyde but DatBird hasn’t done one single townie thing

DatBird is literally the most frozen player as scum and he’s made reads here but you’re still confident as scum?

Was more confident with DatBird being scum then Geyde being scum at this moment of time. I was also awaiting DatBird’s response.

@Luxy

@Napoleon

I’ll tell you right now that I’m proficient at faking ISO analysis as both town and scum

Why would Napoleon feel the need to say this

It’s like he’s trying to detract from the solving capacity that seeing someone’s thought process via ISO gives in order to protect himself

Because I don’t think an ISO at the time would really help as if I were scum I could just fake things that I might find scummy.

Funny because Redrover doesn’t like my “reluctance to do an ISO”.

@Luxy

Napoleon didn’t have a reason to scumread Dat so he used Geyde as a cop out

I didn’t actually properly engage in the thread or analyze deeply until Geyde directly took me to DatBird.

[Luxy]

‘Interacted with Alice’

So whats your conclusion on her

[Redrover1760]

Alice is pretty townleaning. Katze is fairly towncore for me at least. Apprentice after his logic is pretty towncore after our interaction.

[Redrover1760]

Luxy, I’m fine with being accused, but I don’t really get the accusation that much.

[Luxy]

You spent 800 posts tunneling

[Luxy]

How is this hard to understand

[Redrover1760]

@Napoleon

Because I don’t think an ISO at the time would really help as if I were scum I could just fake things that I might find scummy.

Funny because Redrover doesn’t like my “reluctance to do an ISO”.

Even if your ISO was fake I wanted to read it. Because, later after I analyzed it, it pointed you as scumleaning for it.

So I’m not really sure what your point is about how your fake ISO analysis is godly.

[clonedcheese]

another wallpost, incoming!

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@Italy

mechanically ici can’t be scum because of how gamebreaking it would be

why is this true

@Redrover1760

@Icibalus

Anyway, all hail the Travellers Of Haven! Together, we shall create a new utopia!

@Icibalus

with my special power of GUN nobody could possibly stop us!

@Icibalus

I’m a villager because this role being given to a wolf would break the setup. You’re welcome.

Actually I’m pretty sure this is evil traveler.

I see how you can read the last one as evil, but how do you read the first two?

@Redrover1760

This is basically every suspicious or non-mechanical statement Icibalus has said so far.

every single one of these is either mechanical or fluff… Why are you pushing Ici?

@Redrover1760

So if I am right Geyde, Napoleon, and Kyodaz are lockscum.

I need an explanation for this. Hippolytus would give you 1 lockscum at most.

@KyoDaz

Glory to mother Russia!

Is it normal for KyoDaz to be fluffposting this much?
May go back and ISO them, but don’t see any constructive thing from them…

@Redrover1760

Kyodaz isn’t probably lockscum actually, Kyo jumping on something is probably okay, I don’t like Geyde for sure however, and I’m suspicious about Napoleon.

None of these are really “lockscum” language…
What exactly prompted you to “lockscum” them in the first place?

@Redrover1760

Alright so Napoleon and Geyde is scum. We Ici this now.

@Napoleon

I mean all that happened was Geyde said to me in PM “yo take a look at DatBird”

I read their ISO and I’m like “yeah this is scummy lol”

Frankly, this gives me the impression that Napoleon is town. If this had actually happened between two scummates, I don’t believe Napoleon would have announced it publicly…

Geyde on the other hand is kinda sus for the accusation, don’t know if it came out of metareading Dat or an agenda.

@Redrover1760

@Napoleon

@Redrover1760

Do you believe that Geyde and I have been talking in private neighbour chat about this?

@Napoleon

I mean all that happened was Geyde said to me in PM “yo take a look at DatBird”

I read their ISO and I’m like “yeah this is scummy lol”

Do I believe it? I checked Geyde’s ISO. He didn’t talk to you. You said you talked in PM, and now you are openwolfing by claiming you never talked in PM, as you realized how horribly your plans are going to mislynch DatBird.

I see where you may have been mistaken, Napoleon could have said the first one as a legitimate question

However the first one does appear to be rhetorical, and the second one looks like backing off.

Napoleon is on my scumlist.

@Napoleon

How are you taking this question and changing it into a claim?

The question originally was a rhetorical one, aimed at proving Redrover wrong

@Geyde

I didn’t out it in main thread because there’s no point in pigeonholing the conversation

I don’t see this as a viable excuse
Why would focusing on one topic for the time being, especially with so much time left, be bad? It was a relevant topic, and if you found something wrong with it then your initial reaction should have been to state publicly, not secretly tell them that it was wrong.

@Napoleon

• I steered this conversation away from useless mech talk
• I analyzed reads and evaluated them myself. My initial reads were actually Hippo town and Amelia town (which I had discussed with Geyde in PM; Geyde agreed with Amelia but disagreed with my analysis with Hippo, I think they took it as null. Their logic weakened my townread on Hippo but still slight V)
• If you believe that Geyde and I were PMing, it makes little sense as Minions would have a scum chat that’s usable at day (I assume this, check OP, they can’t communicate at night tho).
• Which means that this was orchestrated by us in scumchat (if you think W/W, consider the possibility of the use of PM vs scumchat)
• I am Kape and I told you that: “Arete’s keyword doesnt start with a vowel”. An early-game claim could be done as scum, but I’ve pretty much been open with this so far.
• Why have I been PMing? I guess I just like a small enclosed neighbourhood as it tends to be better at revealing peoples’ true thoughts in an environment where people might feel more secure.

1. Mech talk is not useless; it’s rather useful in this setup.
2. This doesn’t mean anything, since if the Luxy did spawn, then regardless of your alignment you’d still have to act on your own.
3. This is the weirdest one. OP explicitly states no scumchat. Then why do you say this:

@Napoleon

Which means that this was orchestrated by us in scumchat (if you think W/W, consider the possibility of the use of PM vs scumchat)

I’m just utterly confused by this 3rd bullet, and I think you’ve slipped something there. Probably that you’ve use the PM’s as a scumchat…

4. I have previously given suspicion of your Kape claim. What do you gain from it?
5. This is a valid point; however, you initially claiming that you did not use PM’s is what’s suspicious here, not why you use PM’s.

comments

@Amelia

…there’s 2 minions iirc?

@N.1

12: 7/2/2/1, + anywhere from 0 to 5 Travelers

Yes.
Speaking mechanically, we can try and guess which outsiders/minions are in play.
My guess is that the Geyde is not in play, because that would mean only 1 outsider.
Originally thought Arete!Redrover would claim/soft Hippo due to an N.1 in play, but I think someone else CC’d it. Back to the drawing board, but I wanna keep that in the back of my mind.

@Amelia

The Luxy could have spawned

Huh
Anyone remember N.1’s interaction in the signups thread?
Don’t know if it’s angleshooting, but here goes:
The Luxy was a role that was added later, possibly to “balance the game” a little more. If the storytellers had created a role and replaced another role with it, I don’t see them not using that role - especially if the storytellers do choose the roles present in the game.
So I believe that the Luxy did spawn.

fluff

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Finished until post 900
Honestly I don’t think my brain can handle more and I don’t really think this is productive

[Redrover1760]

Well, I stopped for about 300 posts long where I instead talked about other things.

[Napoleon]

but im town

[Napoleon]

you cant criticize my fake ISO analysis because this one was real

[Napoleon]

If I recall correctly I’ve played more games with DatBird than you have so I understand his meta better.

[Luxy]

@clonedcheese

@Redrover1760

This is basically every suspicious or non-mechanical statement Icibalus has said so far.

every single one of these is either mechanical or fluff… Why are you pushing Ici?

Because scum love mechanical fluff?

[Napoleon]

Funny thing is that all my “townslips” are genuine but I’ve done too many of them for it not to look suspicious. I guess that’s on me.

@clonedcheese

• Mech talk is not useless; it’s rather useful in this setup.
• This doesn’t mean anything, since if the Luxy did spawn, then regardless of your alignment you’d still have to act on your own.
• This is the weirdest one. OP explicitly states no scumchat. Then why do you say this:

1. It’s useless in the sense it’s harder to get AI info out of it.
2. I didn’t know about Luxy atm and I didn’t read OP
3. I didn’t read OP.

[Geyde]

@clonedcheese

I don’t see this as a viable excuse
Why would focusing on one topic for the time being, especially with so much time left, be bad? It was a relevant topic, and if you found something wrong with it then your initial reaction should have been to state publicly, not secretly tell them that it was wrong

Isn’t full reasoning fyi
Rest was claim related and had to do with reading nap

[clonedcheese]

So if I understood correctly
Redrover has spent the last x number of posts tunneling Napoleon & Geyde

I don’t know what they did during the tunnelling, but I do see where they’re coming from…

[Napoleon]

why did you come out if you are hippolytus

[Redrover1760]

My tunneling was not really tunneling? It was more like investigating.

And asking questions, and getting ??? responses, so I ask more questions. I kind of gave up until Alice brought it up again. Also Geyde’s read excuse seemed reasonable at the time, which I changed my mind about now.

[Napoleon]

@Luxy

you’ve done nothing actually helpful

this really hurt my ego