Neutral Reworks

[Livicus]

All Neutral Reworks from the Master Rework of DOOM

NOTE: All Neutrals who complete their goals become convert immune. i.e. Scorned, Merchant, Thief, etc.

Converted Neutrals are purposefully stronger than Blue Dragon converts because Neutrals do not have to fight against the Unseen, but can choose to for a certain duration.

All Unseen share the same win-condition: to beat the Blue Dragon and any threatening Neutrals.

Mercenary

(Neutral Support)

(Converts to Sellsword)

Goal: Keep your target alive until the end of the game.

Passive: Contracted: If your target dies or you have no target by night 3, you will commit suicide. You can not accuse your target and must always vote to pardon them.

Day Ability: Take Contract: Target player becomes your contract. Only usable if your previous target is dead. Unlimited uses.

Night Ability: Stand Guard: Prevent all visitors to your target. Your target will not be notified. 4 uses.

Night Ability: Rebound: Same as now. 1 use.

Forsaken

(Unseen Social)

(Converted from Scorned)

Passive: Vengeance: You keep your targets from when you were a Scorned. If one of your original targets is executed, you gain unlimited uses of Frame.

Passive: Marginalized: You do not count towards the Unseen maximum limit and do not become the Assassin by default.

Day Ability: Dirty Work: Identical to Mastermind’s DW

Day Ability: Trollbox: Identical to Scorned’ Trollbox

Night Ability: Frame: Make someone appear suspicious, and make them receive incorrect feedback from their abilities. 2 uses.

Apothecary

(Unseen Killer)

(Converted from Alchemist)

Passive: Coagulate: Immune to bleeding and poison.

Night Ability: Violet Potion: Choose a player and a class. The next night your target will start to bleed, and will die the following night, showing up as the class you selected. 2 uses.

Night Ability: Scarlet Potion: Heal all members of the Unseen. Infinite uses.

Jester

(Unseen Social)

(Converted from Fool)

Passive: Marginalized: You do not count towards the Unseen limit. You do not become Assassin by default.

Day Ability: Entertain: Choose two players. They will be unable to talk for the rest of the day. 3 Uses.

Day Ability: Trollbox: Identical to Fool’s Trollbox

Night Ability: Disguise: Choose a player. If you are killed that night or lynched tomorrow, you will appear as that target’s class. Unlimited uses.

Merchant

(Neutral Offensive)

(Converts to Swindler)

Goal: Survive to see the game reach Day 9.

Passive: Haggler: Occupy and Redirect immune.

Day Ability: Pay Bail: Force pardon the person on trial. They cannot be put up again that day. 1 use.

Day Ability: Targeted Marketing: Your abilities bypass occupation and redirection immunity tonight. 2 uses.

Night Ability: Sell Wares: Occupy target player. Unlimited uses.

Night Ability: Advertise: Anybody who targets you will be redirected to your target. Unlimited uses.

Swindler

(Unseen Offensive)

(Converted from Merchant)

Passive: Haggler: Immune to occupation and redirection.

Day Ability: Bribery: King’s vote and Decide Fate will be reversed today. 1 use.

Day Ability: Blackmail: Target can’t vote for the rest of the day. 3 uses.

Night Ability: Sell Wares: Occupy target player. Unlimited uses.

Thief

(Neutral Offensive)

(Converts to Rogue)

Goal: Rob all living Royals

Royals = People with Royal Blood, People with Royal Blood who become King, Not Starting King

Passive: Keen Sense: At the start of each morning, the number of remaining Royals that need to be robbed will show up to the Thief. When the number hits 0, the Thief will have “robbed” the Palace Treasury and wins. He will then be convert immune.

• Keen Sense goes down by 1 if Thief uses Robbery on a Royal, or Royal that is not robbed dies.
• Keen Sense goes up by 1 each time Baron or Duke gives Royal Blood to a player.

Passive: Royal Hatred: You cannot become a candidate for a New King.

Day Ability: Drugged Dagger: Prevent a player from seeing names before messages, accusals, and votes for the rest of today. 3 uses.

Night Ability: Spying Eyes: Choose two players. You will be notified if at least one is a Royal and if at least one is a Royal, gain a use of Robbery. Unlimited uses.

Night Ability: Robbery: Choose any player. (Including the King) If they are a Royal, you are guaranteed to remove their immunities and occupy them. 0 uses at start.

Rogue

(Unseen Offensive)

(Converted from Thief)

Passive: Shadowform: You do not count towards the Unseen maximum limit and do not become the Assassin by default.

Passive: Royal Hatred: You cannot become a candidate for a New King.

Day Ability: Dirty Work: Identical to Mastermind’s DW

Day Ability: Drugged Dagger: Prevent a player from seeing names before messages, accusals, and votes for the rest of today. 3 uses.

Night Ability: Choose a player to occupy. If successfully occupied, deprive one use from all limited night abilities of target.

Accomplice

(Neutral Investigative)

(Convert Immune)

Goal: Survive to see the Blue Dragon fall.

Passive: Trickery: Immune to death at night once.

Day ability: Snitch: Target player will receive your night results tonight in addition to you. Unlimited uses.

Night ability 1: Stalk: Choose a player. You will know their exact class, who visited them, and who they visited that night. Unlimited uses.

Night ability 2: Sabotage: Choose a player. They will not receive any feedback from their abilities tonight. 4 uses.

[Simon]

@Livicus

Master Rework of DOOM

someone should run a Fol/SFoL with all of these implemented

[Livicus]

Maybe I could try someday? I’m still learning though, so @NuclearBurrito would probably be better at hosting with all the classes from the Doom Rework considering 1/3 of the rework is his too

[NuclearBurrito]

I would love to!

However note that lack of whispers and vote manipulations being hard to do properly means that the scribe wouldn’t work and the noble would need to be different (I could just use the standard FoL Noble for that). Also Cult Points makes the Psychic problem a non-issue.

[NightX]

We could just improvise vote manipulation.

Whispers could be harder, but in theory we could also do the same.

If we run a FoL game based on this we should ignore Cult Points, to make the same experience you would have if you were playing ToL with this.

[Livicus]

I would prefer letting it mirror ToL so it could also be like a test drive of how well it would work in the actual game

[NuclearBurrito]

@NightX

We could just improvise vote manipulation.

Again. That would require changes to the class, which is exactly what I said I would do.

@NightX

Whispers could be harder, but in theory we could also do the same.

Not while preserving the hosts (probably me) sanity you can’t.

@NightX

If we run a FoL game based on this we should ignore Cult Points, to make the same experience you would have if you were playing ToL with this.

No reason really. Cult Points are there for a reason and that reason is a very good thing here. FoL requires different balance consideration than ToL due to the additional time.

[UncannyLuck]

I like all of these, especially the name Apothecary, but I don’t think Alchemist should be convertible. Especially if Alchemist becomes weaker when converted. I also don’t get how accomplice is supposed to work.

Jester is great and Scorned’s passive is hilarious.

[NuclearBurrito]

Oh ya. You forgot about the wincons

[Livicus]

Wincons are still there I thought?

NEVERMIND

[NuclearBurrito]

Quote them then

[Livicus]

Added the wincons

[NuclearBurrito]

That help?

[Livicus]

I personally wouldn’t prefer the Alchemist to be converted, but the thing is that I’m pretty sure Unseen and Cult win rates are quite low, due to not being able to convert Neutrals.

[Chocolate]

Neutral conversions are bad.

[NightX]

Why? Unconvertibles just restrict the number of targets, making it more likely for the Unseen/Cult just fail their conversion.

The only people who need it are:

• Prince
• King
• Neutral Killers
• People who have won

[Chocolate]

Neutrals should have to stick to their goals. Only reason Merc is convertable is because it’s technically an “unseen contract”

[Hippolytus]

What is the point of the new neutrals you have added? This feels less of a re-work and more of a “hey whoa this would be cool let’s add this”. I don’t really see how the merchant or thief would change the meta in any useful way.

Maybe give your thought process behind the new classes because I am not seeing the point of them other than being kinda funny gimicks.

[nickstojanovic]

love the idea of accomplice!

[Lily]

I agree.