Plus you can easily just have you and your first snoop target immediately whisper his logs to a third party such as king or prince immediately after getting them to prove before you even get the second one.
Your solution is so strict that it is never going to play out in a real game, so an evil claiming he snooped would have decent credibility (in our hypothetical game where Snoop doesn’t belong to Noble).
To clarify, your solution requires the Noble survive without being converted to at least D4, have a successful snoop N1 or N2 on someone with legitimate logs, communicate this to either Prince or Good King before D4, then another successful snoop on someone with fake logs N3 or later. And Prince or Good King, whichever you communicated with, must also be alive to back you up on D4.
I argue that Noble / Aristocrat / Apostle is CRITICAL for the health of the game and is 10x more fun than before. Obviously fun is subjective, but the game was NOT in a healthy state before the change. Before, everyone would just whisper the prince and let him solve the game for them. If he got empowered reaped or wall of fired well, rip the BD’s chances of winning.
Now you’re encouraged to lead public discussion as BD which is what the game is actually about. Not whisper one person your claim and idle performing night actions.
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What about evil people?
You shouldn’t be whispering unseen as a neutral killer anyway as you can’t win with them.
If you’re sorc you know who they are
As a non nk neut once your wincon is done who cares if you get hung for whispering someone? Fools actually BENEFIT from other people hearing their whispers as does scorned most of the time.
I’ve had games where as a NK I want to try to use Unseen to my advantage.
I’ve also had games as Sorcerer or Evil King that I want to communicate with evil people and I don’t have the luxury of being a part of the night chat.
Let me whisper in peace.
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We need these to counter the whisper meta
I mean WHEN THERE IS MORE WHISPERS THAN ACTUAL TALKING. That’s just dumb tbh.
These plays should be risky
You shouldn’t be able to whisper without the fear of others listening. It makes the game less intractive.
You can still make them in this meta. You just have to take calculated risks.
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I would argue that whispering anybody that isn’t king or outed prince is already risky and that by discouraging people from whispering non king/prince targets makes the game less interactive in the first place.
I’ve had several games tonight were a merc whispered his target and him and/or the target get immediately voted up.
Giving two classes a blanket hear all whisper ability that can be used the first 2 or 3 nights seems overpowered to me.
I would make Noble unique and make the ability not usable until night 2 or 3.
I understand that you disagree and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
Noble spy isn’t powerful enough to be delayed till N3.
It would basically tell everyone to whisper all the claims to the prince and king on D2 when it can’t be used
Making it unique will just make it harder for apostle to claim noble. Or even possessor. Now don’t say well he couldn’t claim noble anyway he can’t force someone to vote someone else. I’ll say that is wrong because you can basically claim anything and get away with it.
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Doesn’t stop me. I don’t care if a BD hears my BD claim to another probably BD. And I’m not doing any scum claims early game regardless of Nobles.
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Noble Rework? I mean yeah that would be good.
I feel like it seeing all whispers are way too powerful
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Yeah but no I really don’t think Blue Dragon should see whispers I don’t think it’s that bad when it’s Unseen/Cult.
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Seeing Whispers is just as bad for game play as Dead Chat and Journals from living people.
The last two things were changed and I think seeing whispers should be adjusted or reworked.
Yeah using it on individuals is fine.
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