New Noble/Apostle Ability Isn't Very Fun

The Noble/Apostle ability that listens to every single whisper isn’t good for the health of the game.

It discourages both good and evil from cooperating and making plays.

It’s especially punishing for Neutral Killers and Neutral/Evil kings trying to work with the bad guys.

If I whisper somebody I should be able to do it in confidence. The fact that people can see who and when I whisper should be enough for them to deduce.

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Suggest a replacement then.

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Is this really a big problem? It’s only 2 uses and mostly you won’t get any useful info. It would be a problem if there is more roles then 4 that can see whispers.

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Noble, Aristocrat, Apostle, Possessor.

Checkmate :wink:

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Make it not usable until n3 like all the other powerful abilities. Cold Steel, Hunter Wolf, Butler Poison.

It’s 3 uses, I’ve received good information every n1 I’ve used it.

It’s not powerfull at all.

In fact I argue that you won’t find the neutral until after D2

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Personally I just don’t start whispering until D3 after the nobles have gotten a spy out of their system (particularly apostle)

Even so it’s still didn’t answer to my question. If you’re BD why would you be afraid that Noble would know your claim? I would say it’s benefit because he can actually try to cooperate with you.

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It’s not that hard to avoid nobles listening in when they only have 3 uses if you keep that fact in mind

Sorry I should have clarified, It’s not just Nobles. Apostles too.

Also Nobles can get converted.

But what if he won’t be converted?

Then the Apostle will spawn anyway.

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Hey nuke remember this

“Not everyone can be killed/converted in one night”

But what if it’s not a Cult game? :wink:

Wait what? Staring at Circle Of Death

Can it kill everyone

Not if there is two nobles and two mystics

Aren’t Nobles visiting while using “Gossip”?

Well

:thinking:

You have to assume that they are visting the same person

Listen…I remember times when Sorcerer wiped all the court and Evils won Day 3. :eyes:

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Yes

That’s why no one does it anymore lol