Meh. While it would be spicy that Mafia left PKR for 3 nights so he could potential shoot villager at his own pace. It’s probably something that Eevee would’ve pulled off or else they would’ve just left him alive today.
While this is before the BP dome, I probably won’t understand why Wazza thought of this. Sure they may have some friendly interaction, but I don’t think thats AI in any way.
This is not a towny post. While Eevee didn’t make the whole depth thing at that time, he certainly did do something like Eevee/Esooa interaction exist and that alone is enough to form an opinion. While I do admit that i didn’t read it, I don’t agree with this.
Now that I read back, this is a shallow readlist. I won’t SR him because of that since I did do the same thing.
This chain of post is very suspicious and I probably should’ve said this if it wasn’t for them both saving Derps and getting Intensify lynched. The insistency that Koba dies 100% and if Koba flips town, the game could be easily solved with Wazza/Sulit at this point. There’s no need to think of anything else. Now the tough part is Koba actually town. I think we went into good depth with sulit and barely any with Koba.
wtf is this speculation and why did I skip this?
On a tvt wagon, there will always be wolves on two wagons so good.
Very obvious that I don’t even think you need a post for this.
Again, this could potentially be TMI on Koba and defending their scumbuddy.
I wonder why would a Esooa and Intensify want to pocket a player whos “ill” and slanking?
is it?
Again, another establishment that Koba has to 100% die.
This tells us absolutely nothing about whether who is the wolf in the thunderdome.
And then he starts defending sulit like crazy, so I’m skipping these.
You know, all of this defending and you say this, like we started to stop and think for a bit and you do this. wtf.
you know my theory was that scum straight up didn’t know PKR was softing by the various times they voted PKR. Like I looked at who voted PKR and they were Eevee, Sulit, Intensify and someone else I forgot.
Why is that now?
Wazza's post on PKR
So I don’t know why I missed this, but this probably the only post in favor of sulit/??? since if Wazza is actually a wolf, he would’ve told his wolfteam to go kill PKR. This only happens if the Cloned kill was a double kill which I would figure out later
This sudden outburst to a wagon on himself is what I would say overdone, but I realize it’s Wazza, so NAI.
I’m going to skip some quotes where he tells us to stop voting him and vote in the dome because I’m repeating myself at that point.
I have blind spots for softs and it should even more apparently since I stated at this point that I missed things. Like I said, it’s likely wolves haven’t seen the soft or else they would’ve shot PKR right away.
Now Derps did say this could have been a distancing play, but now I looked into it and there is one scenario where Wazza and Sulit are not partner. Now who could be partners? There’s Sulit/lowposter, but that spells game over for scum. There sulit/Eevee with Eevee not telling sulit about this and there’s sulit/Marshal or Derps where they are attempting to distance. I think Marshal is more likely, but I will make another post on this.
Empty post.
wolfy
I won’t say pulling out any straws because I goes to me for not being able to explain the sulit situation.
This point would convince nobody and Wazza knew it (sorta). Yet Wazza didn’t attempt to figure out throughtout the entire game. Oh well.
Skipping the next few post since Wazza attempts to convince other people to vote in thunderdome.
Wazza missed the entire point of why hes being voted. Derps stated it would be the exact same as them voting sulit and Marshal had an entirely different reason.
Eevee later pointed out that this is stupid, so not going to talk about it.
he saying this, but hes the last to change his mind on sulit and by that time all 3 of us is voting wazza.
and now we have come full circle. This is opportunistic for Wazza/Sulit as hes taking advantage of Proph to help get Koba eliminated.
Alright, I read the full thing and while there’s a very high chance Wazza/Sulit can happen. Wazza throughout the entire ISO barely backread (he only did so for PKR only, he didn’t backread on sulit when we were talking about them) and he also missed the reasons why he was being voted eventho Derps and Marshals literally stated their reason in these two post.
He is also very biased with sulit as point in the most recent post that it took the work of 3 of us voting him to vote sulit and now we have one replacement stating their view and thats all it take to vote Koba. Which indicate that it was clear he didn’t believe in sulit wagon at all except to appease us into not voting him. Pretty wolfy if you ask me.
Now in the commentary, I stated there’s one post that could rule out Sulit/Wazza which is the PKR soft. Wazza did get it, but sulit didn’t and if wazza was the wolf here, PKR would have been finished eariler, but he wasn’t. PKR took until he hardclaimed PR to get PR hunted which indicate that wolf didn’t know the soft, so now I’m confused.
Now as for Wazza/Koba, I’ll just wait for Marshal to analyze it because I’m too lazy.
For my conclusion, Wazza/Sulit is likely not a thing, unless there’s evidence that Wazza caught the soft, but didn’t communicate it to their scumbuddies.
Uninterested in behavioral analysis, but will perk up at the slightest hint of mechanical proclivity.
My point is that Dk/Wazza is a dichotomy. We will lunch either one of them to find the scum, and then we’ll pick up the scraps after that has happened. We’ll either be no mislunches down or one mislunch down, but that’s still a trade I’ll take any day of the week, because a one-for-one exchange is poor for the scum.
I disagree with some of the overarching conclusions, but I can tell they put a fair amount of time into analyzing Wazza - only to mostly abandon their conclusion that Wazza/sulit are buddies together, because Wazza would have shot PKR earlier in the game if that was the case.
Why are these the only scumteams are you considering, and… don’t you think it would be more helpful to figure out who Dk/sulit’s buddy is after one of them flips red?
Fair points - at my home site(s), we would just immediately chain lunch one person in the dichotomy and then lunch the other if the first person was a miss, speeding through the Day.
It’s intriguing to see other viewpoints on how to approach mechanical dichotomies like this (I think Wazza’s outbursts were quite informative, for instance).
Well If you want to know, I still think Wazza is wolfy, but that wouldn’t matter if they’re not even aligned with the people in the dome.
Because deciding who Koba/Sulit is would get me nowhere. Sure Sulit has done so many towny things and Koba had stayed consistently the same throughtout the same game, but I don’t think we would get as new information arguing which is my whole point in analyzing outside the dome. Plus I joined Derp’s wagon on Wazza for a reaction and I had trouble reading Wazza, so there’s my reason for the entire action.
not scum because of the dome. Like I said, it’s clear wolf are making a suicidal play by doing the dome and there’s no way they will do it unless their partner is in a good position.
I don’t think Wind is clear throughout her actions Day 1 and 2. Sure they made have encourage activity or interest in actually participating in the game, but the one clearing thing would be if they actually used it to clear others. However, I didn’t really see that, which left me so confused throughout the entire game, so I slap a null and never read her. Amelia on the other hand hasn’t really done much which keep the slot at null still.
However, I’m not the thread and I do see that Wind/Amelia has been considered consensus town which is a good position to be in so if Sulit is the wolf here, Amelia benefits from it since they will likely endgame. Unlike Wazza, I don’t think the slot ever saw the PKR soft.
Good points - particularly where you mention how the last scum is likely to be deep, because scum wouldn’t trade one-for-one like this unless the last wolf is in a good position. Did not consider that in my read-through. If/when I inevitably reread the thread again once Dk/sulit flips wolf I’ll take that into consideration.
Unless anyone wants to talk to me about things, I’m fine with resolving the dichotomy/thunderdome and then evaluating the gamestate from there
Alright, after more thinking, I’m pretty sure Wazza is just cleared just because he knew the PKR soft which leaves one wolf in Sulit/Koba and the other in Amelia/Eevee.
I’ve posted about it before and that was that NetherNitro, if Scum, voted on my wagon to get townread by yourself and Sulit, that was literally the only reasoning, they never provided a reasoning for voting me once.
Eevee was widely scumread to my knowledge and I didn’t exactly remember anything townie he did at the time.
This isn’t a readslist, it’s a PoE for today, of course it’s shallow.
Wouldn’t you get annoyed if Sulit was Town and Dk was BP and we have some useless thunderdome? And my reasoning was that I don’t see the cc’er cc’ing the og person, I just couldn’t see a person, especially Sulit, doing that.
You see my issue with this is the fact that I’ve been pushing on Sulit all game, even at the start of today I didn’t even want to remove them from the PoE but you guys told me too.
just a random thought lol.
I told you, I was gonna do a VCA, it just had nothing to help.
Intensify is strange.
And I don’t know Esooa much, I’m just saying that’s what it seemed like, don’t blame me for what I think at times.
Well at the time, I was 100% positive of Dk being scum.
You know, I wasn’t the only one doing this, right? Marshal was literally doing the same exact thing as me. I just wanted to know why Sulit would even cc in this world, if Dk flips BP, sure, kill them tomorrow. Why would I defend Sulit knowing they’d die the next day anyway? That’s just practically suicide for the both of us and consequently, a game loss.
I started defending the idea that Sulit wouldn’t do this as Scum, as I saw no reasoning and I wanted to see reasoning in what everyone was saying.
Yeah because I stopped to think about it as well, what do you think happened? Oh I just randomly said something, no I thought about the past days.
tbh, don’t remember, pretty sure that I was basically just positive that Eevee had it down perfectly and
was basically outing what the Mafia were doing, since Eevee’s done this before as Mafia.
I don’t know what you expect, 3 people who you believe to be Town suddenly all voting you and one of them being hypocritical, do you think I’m gonna be calm about that?
“I cannot die here”
What do you think that means to you?
I still don’t get what you mean. Why do you guys think it’s okay to vote out of a thunderdome which 100% has a scum in it, just to kill me, when I don’t even have nearly as much chance to be scum, literally at all. You guys, for some reason, decided “oh fuck the thunderdome, we’ll vote Wazza” and I’m still pissed at it, y’all really fucking upset me, and then Derps saying it was just some joke for Eevee to enjoy, that just pissed me off more, it really wasn’t funny at all and I still do not see the reasoning in voting out of the thunderdome. Go on, give me a good reason why you would vote out of the thunderdome.
I don’t care if it’d convince nobody, when I’m dead, someone might read it, idk.
It really wouldn’t be the exact same as voting Sulit, if I die, does it give you info on which is the Mafia and which is the BP in Dk/Sulit?
I’m gonna just mention, you completely missed out my vote in Sulit in your posts, thought you’d have some sort of commentary.
If you’re town here, that would mean get POE’d and yeeted if it came through, so /shrug.
You’re still not allowing people to atleast try and convince you Eevee should out of the POE
I meant by the fact it narrows down almost nothing.
Welp, now it’s true that we are in a thunderdome, so meh.
Fine
Intensify is going to be mad now. Jokes aside, ok.
At that time, I was not really helping much so I’d thought you would attempt to manipulate the uniformed to help you and thats what I came into this analysis thinking.
Took long enough imao
Fair
well sorry for that. Atleast, you know why I did so.
I didn’t think of it that much is what i meant.
Because you were more wolfy than the dome? Look at it from our eyes after the whole sulit talk (mostly marshal).
At that time, we thought the only associative for sulit was you wazza and vice versa. That was me and Derps mindset.
I mentioned it after the commentary.
Idk ask Marshal.
Do you think we would be able to keep our vote long enough when EoD comes?