ill eat my vest
| Player | Voted by | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| sulit | DkKoba, Wazza | 2/6 |
| DkKoba | sulit, SirDerpsAlot | 2/6 |
| Wazza | Marshal | 1/6 |
| SirDerpsAlot | Amelia | 1/6 |
| Not voting | eevee, Prophylaxis, Universal, ATNoName | 4 |
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The day will end at 2021-06-16T20:00:00Z.
Alright, skimmed the last 1000 posts while having my eyes permanently glazed over the game thread.
This gamestate honestly looks pretty frickin elementary, and Iām not really sure why Wazza/sulit are being wagonned.
Iām town - I recognize this slot has been lurking and not providing content all game, so Iām not necessarily opposed to getting PoE lunched. Iām not scum, though, and Iām pretty sure that scum need to mislunch my slot to even have a remote chance of winning this game, so I will defend myself/contribute as much to the solve as much as possible before that happens.
sulit has counterclaimed DkKoba as a town one-shot bulletproof, which should be reason enough to locktown her. I think itās pretty likely that PKR and the mafia both shot Marluxion N1, and itās also likely that PKR iced clonedcheese while the scumās kill failed on sulit as well. She was the first vote on the Intensify wagon on Day 3 as well as generally being behaviorally townie. This is basic logic/mafia 101, though - if a player claims a power role and then another player counterclaims them, we lunch the player who claimed first.
Amelia hasnāt really contributed a lot on his own, but Windward was one of my stronger townreads when reading back because just as Marshal said, she was acting very similar to herself in DitF. Trying a different playstyle, one that doesnāt require you to solve half the game on Day 1, and being tunneled endlessly by cheese really made Windward frustrated, and you can see that frustration bleed in her posts. I would like to see some contributions from Amelia, but I think this slot is mostly cleared through behavior? Plus Intensify cased Windward opportunistically, and Esooa shaded her in post 423 in a way that I donāt think happens if sheās scum with Wind. Wind was also one of Marlās top townreads if weāre placing credence to his reads.
Marshal has kind of been disengaged/not efforting a whole lot, but I think the entire scum team impaling themselves on a sword to attempt to lunch her Day 3 makes me think she is town.
The mafia also impaled themselves on a sword to lunch Derps. Alsoā¦ man, Derps had basically all the scum in his crosshairs as soon as he entered the game (Intensify/Esooa/Dk) so props to him.
Wazza has been fairly active and I think her emotional outburst Today is coming from a townie mindset. She was on the Intensify wagon when Iām pretty sure the scum were just trying to power wolf this game out the wazoo.
I always have trouble reading Eevee when weāre in games together, but I think a couple of conversations between Esooa and him donāt read as aligned during Day 1, and Windward heavily trusted in her Eevee townread so Iām kind of sheeping her.
ATNoName has beenā¦ kind of lacking transparency in thought (every post that comes from him is mostly a vote I think, thatās what I noticed when I was catching up) but he was on the Intensify CFD again when Iām pretty sure the scum were power woofing.
Universal hasā¦ not really been here. Theyāve checked in a couple of times during the game and gone āIām here!ā (like above) but they havenāt actually been actively engaged in the game. Mostly PoE if anything - Iāll try to do a more focused readthrough here, but theyāre so detached from the game thread I am not sure what alignment they are.
And finally DkKoba. I thought their early Day 1 was townie because they had the scum in their crosshairs, but theyāve just been moving closer and closer to outed wolf as the game progressed. They never got around to seriously scumreading Esooa, and they re-evaluated Intensify based on weak reasoning duringā¦ Day 2? Their playstyle reminds me a lot of Helz from Darling in the Franxx - active, off-site, āby the bookā wolf. Not to mention that theyāve literally been counterclaimed, and their pushes on Marshal/Derps look agenda-driven as hell. Like, their entire wolfteam was on those two wagons!
Just burn the witch, and find their last buddy later.
| Player | Voted by | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| DkKoba | sulit, SirDerpsAlot, Prophylaxis | 3/6 |
| sulit | DkKoba, Wazza | 2/6 |
| Wazza | Marshal | 1/6 |
| SirDerpsAlot | Amelia | 1/6 |
| Not voting | eevee, Universal, ATNoName | 3 |
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Universal has not voted a single time this game
Honestly skimming through their ISO I feel like theyāre not even playing mafia, they just want to say hi to people (which is fine! justā¦ mafia tends not to be the best place for that)
Sleep time.
Ewww, hell no.
On top of my head I can think of at least 3 games where I ccāed last town PR in 7 vs 2 situation and all of them were clear scum wins without much doubt.
Altho you are probably not wrong with ābasicā part?
For it to be worth, it requires to win 1v1 and overwhelm thread with own presence for pretty much 3 days straight, while letting your own teammate get the positon to finish it off.
Ergo, it requiers 2 players confident in theirs skill to pull it off.
One to win the 1v1 AND create enough mess to make all other discussions worthless on given days.
Second to actually win final 3 when it will be down to it.
But depending on playerlist, itās a good move to do this.
Example of 7 vs 2 situation I plaied:
- Forum Mafia on ToS forum
- Mafia is me and amrock (one of theirs first matches, active, able to overtalk peolpe, but was still just a newbie)
- I found last PR and basing on theirs psychoanalysis assumed they are random PGO.
- On 7 vs 2 they claimed town killing.
- I instantly ccāed it with pre-prepared softs.
- After town had problems to figure it out (with leaning to just kill them), I suggested towards EoD to just let them shoot me, since they claim TK.
- With a very active teammate and limited time to chose new lynch, they lynched someone else.
- Next day me and vet were still both alive in 5 vs 2 (we killed some strong townie).
- They eliminated veteran even more eagerly, due to not shooting me (they had to claim vet at this point).
- My teammate was getting themself an allibi on me for pretty much 2 days in a row, while I tried to fake some spew around.
- Next day itās 3 vs 2 and they had eliminated me, while I was still actually active, trying to get thread to focus on me. Especially since we were preparing 3 days in a row for them to wrongly analyze my spew.
- Next day itās 2 vs 1. Yep, whole cc plan got us from 7v2 to 2v1. And with 3 days in a row of derailing the thread with fake spew it ended up in TvT in F3.
- Game won.
Easy? No.
Requiers planning and 2 strong teammates cooeprating to get maximum profit out of it.
BUTā¦
I will give you one thing you were lacking for full analysis, mostly due to my own doing.
Kinda planned, since I like dramating turn of events in thread.
Look at the story again and think why we were going for CC if we as well could just carry the game normally? And why did PR claim in the first place?
Becouse we read them as a PGO, someone who we cannot kill at night reliably.
Here we haveā¦ BPV. Someone you cannot kill at night reliably. What a surprise.
Thatās also why BPV claim or TK claims are not bad choice in given situation. If you think mafia cannot reliably kill you, why not just out and clear situation a bit.
So let me clear out first assumption, which I made and which stuck up in the thread and directed whole dayflow.
What if mafia actually attacked cloned?
The main difference? BPV still has theirs vest with 10 players alive.
Meaning that if they want to kill them, they need to waste 2 kills on them, making town get one bonus lynch.
Or they have to be stuck with confirmed townie till the very end.
To be more straightforward:
-
CCing BPV if they have vest left:
After eliminating both of BPV claims:
- Basicaly 4 vs 1
- Setting up thread spew supporting last mafia due to the abuse of thunderome
- Needs 2 misslynches to win
- Not CCing BPV if they have vest left:
- Basically 9 vs 2
- Less selection on who is left in F5 / F3, due to being forced into killing confirmed BPV, instead of using town to remove it.
- Needs 4 misslynches to win
I would personally go for the 1st.
Now, there was a lot of questions about why would you CC the PR.
There goes motive you were missing.
But disclaimer:
I do not in any way intend to direct you in any direction with this post.
I know it might seem like post counter-Sulit.
But be aware that you are also able to actually clear them if you think Sulit would not be able to pull out strategy like this.
After all, as provided with example before, it does need scumteam who is rather convinced in theirs ability to pull it out. And aas I said before, itās nowhere near the ābasicsā of mafia.
Itās rather here to counteract my first walls of today, which shaped the day so far.
Yes, Iām reshaping it again.
And trying to add a bit of depth to thread discussion in general.
Have fun.
Oh yea, I maintain my decision to not vote today, nor directly push anyone.
And mind that 2 worlds I built are directly opposite, as one requires scum to attack bpv, while other to attack cloned (or just tree).
And last thing - @SirDerpsAlot - that walls were kinda for you, normally I wouldnāt be explaining this that far, as an answer to how to impact the game without scumhunting.
Simple vig shot analysis I asked you to do can make people focus on certain aspects, while due to humans being resource limited, make them miss another.
| Player | Voted by | Votes |
|---|---|---|
| DkKoba | sulit, SirDerpsAlot, Prophylaxis, Wazza | 4/6 |
| sulit | DkKoba | 1/6 |
| Wazza | Marshal | 1/6 |
| SirDerpsAlot | Amelia | 1/6 |
| Not voting | eevee, Universal, ATNoName | 3 |
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If I have anything to say, it doesnāt matter who the scum in the thunderdome is, but itās obvious that scum is making a suicidal play. I barely have a reason against Wazza besides Marshal and Derpās reasoning which I do agree. Like Wazza to this day is just telling people they have to vote in the thunderdome when we have hours remaining that we can use.
I donāt think we will even get much by pressuring the people in the dome since they are always going to say the same thing which is āvote (insert opponent in dome)ā and some random dialogue about why theyāre scum.