I think that is a possibility
So without saying who is CL, noble would got a flexible scout? Rip Cult especially with current smite.
What direction do you guys want to head in with this? Do you just want to make Noble more interesting? Do you want to punish the Whisper-Prince/-King meta? Both? Some reasoning in addition to the proposed rework would be nice.
As for now, I see almost not reason to use the New Night Ability over an improved Maid Spy, so you should limit its uses quite heavily if you want this rework to provide meaningful decisions for the Noble/Aristocrat/Apostle. (I am assuming all 3 are going to get at least some version of this new Ability)
I can see the New Night Ability to be decent on targets you expect to get converted in a specific night (since you would also receive the message that it was converted), to āobserveā lategame Possessor jumps, to confirm the Night Ability of any other role or simply to confirm a certain role exists. Would the Noble also receive two healing messages if there were two heals used on the same target? (same for damage, occupation, etc.)
Personally, I do not think Noble needs a rework, unless you specifically want to target the Whisper-Prince/-King meta. Its lategame power through Day Abilities is overwhelming and Snoops feel meaningful in case the Prince/King wants a certain claim. Also the Noble can get basically everyoneās claim by spying on the Prince.
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Did you actually read this?
Well isnāt giving you that much really, unless youāre very good at scumreading otherwise you wouldnāt deduce anything especially with good fake logs. The idea is make a possibility with confirm other claims like Sheriff/Princess or even Butler, and this new abillity is made for it. Lotās of people want make Noble more interesting role to play, rathen than āSit down until someone will whisper somethinā. Anyway the best way to find out test it out in practice.
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Whisper King meta is dead, and Whisper Prince is so easily countered that itās not really an issue tbh. The feedback spy to me isā¦ eh? I mean, itās an interesting enough idea but Iām not certain how well itāll come out in practise.
On the subject of Noble pure whispers or pure votes, (pls no gp drain thx) pure vote manipulation leaves you with a class thatās pathetically easy to confirm and whispers leaves you with a limited use because nobody is going to whisper if thereās a class that screws with them and nothing elseā¦ Leaving fun aside itās a bad idea to make Noble specialise.
Snoop is gone YAY
On the subject of making changes to counter specific metas that are external to paticular classes IE: You add a class that can see whispers to King and only to King to counter the Whisper King meta. If we go down that route the game will end up being a web of hyper-specific abilities to counter metas nobody uses any more and nothing will ever get changed or done.
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I have to say the ability does seem to be fun to use and can lead to multiple fun playstyles. I can already see a new wave of Nobles claiming Sheriff/Paladin as a decoy. A whole new way to Fancy Play Syndrome, oh boy!
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I would remove noble Twins and give PP more uses.
Twins just makes him easier to confirm for no reason.
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New abillity isnāt even related to whispers, so your argument fall apart right here. They only thing that was planned to counter āwhisper Xā Meta is just improving āMaid Spyā which isnāt a bad thing since āWhisper Princeā Meta isnāt even that popular.
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Having a non-whisper and non-vote ability dosenāt change my argument. ToL lives and dies on all of itās classes being able to do multiple unique thibngs.
I was simply arguing that putting all the eggs in one type of ability is bad for the game overall.
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He isnāt really making much of an argument. He seems to like it and also by coisidence have something to say about Abilityās that counter metas.
Just saying, im sorry if it was ātoo offensiveā better to clear all doubt right now right?