Orangevitational - Aliens Win!

[Cryogenics]

That’s not so much as resource allotting you a safer check as it is coincidental tbh

[Student]

@Officer

however if coroner is maf the game probably ends anyway so lol

The problem is they could just as plausibly be sympathizer.

@Security

Comms could have also been that alien If exactly coroner is mafia or traitor too

Wait, Security had the same thought as me? Hmm… Is this villagery?

@Facilitator

There’s a fourth possibility, which is that wolves and vig shot the same person, which isnt necessarily indicative of people paying attention.

Yeah I… actually think this is the most likely outcome. The nightkill was always going on Eavesdropper or Cryo, and wolves probably thought Surveillance would have been on Cryo.

@Coroner

“Killing in the poe proves it’s someone else in the poe”
Lol

That’s not really my argument, but I’m not really going to contend this point since I think vig and wolves probably crosskilled.

@Cryogenics

Trap needs protection.

This is my philosophy this game, and I’m sure that many other people in this game also share the same philosophy. There is no single person who is important enough that upon rand, we dedicate our resources into protecting that slot. We need to dedicate our resources into protecting slots we trust and are important. I do not trust you this game because I don’t have a good reason to town read you. You are an important role, but because I cannot trust you, I do not think you are important enough that we pour all of our resources into guaranteeing your check. If you are scum, you can cause us to mislynch a total of two people before you are outter by the coroner, which is pretty unacceptable. In other words, your checks are unnecessary from my point of view to win this game and are only to be used to support social information, and or to gather reactions from how people react to your checks. I’m sorry, but that’s how I view this game and your role.

@Cryogenics

That doesn’t mean I will ignore your checks by the way, I will watch how people react to your checks, who they push out of the two checks, and if anyone tries to throw shade your way in order to gauge people’s alignments. However, I will not blindly trust your word and execute two people in a row based on your word alone - I will only execute them if I gauge their reaction to be pretty scummy.

If Cryogenics wasn’t already obviously town, this should seal the deal.

[Student]

The more I think about it, the more I realize that there’s just too many possibilities to consider in order to effectively mechsolve this.

1. I’m an alien and the kill was prevented (I’m listing this here for your convenience even though I know it not to be true)
2. Coroner is an alien/sympathizer and communications was the other alien who attacks N1
3. Security holstered their shot and factionaled Eavesdropper (I explained why this makes perfect sense since he can claim to have lost his shot and therefore not be forced to use it for village)
4. Wolves were not paying attention and factionaled me
5. Security and wolves crosskilled

If number 5 wasn’t a possibility, trying to mechsolve this might have been worth it, but its existence means that any PoE of players not paying attention + me is invalid.

[Cryogenics]

Going to be honest, I expect the check between me and security to be compatible. I just really don’t think the way they were bullheaded about this game comes from someone who isn’t the same alignment as me. On the off chance they aren’t though, I’m not really sure what I would do. I know I said that I would not use the check as mechanical evidence, but that was from the point of view of having to go through 2 people before getting to the third. Since I know my alignment, and I’m pretty obviously town to everyone in this game, we would only have to go through 2 if scientist is lying. That’s going to be headache.

[Cryogenics]

not to mention

sympathizer doesn’t show as alien, it just shows as not alien to coroner

so it’s a sticky situation

[Cryogenics]

probably just going to ignore it at the start and watch how other people react to it even though I’m one part of the check

since that just seems the easiest to me

[Scientist]

Wait am I supposed to check cryo

[Scientist]

That makes more sense

[Student]

At first this setup seemed village sided because it’s pretty easy for us to leash wolf actions. But then you realize that if Sympathizer rands a role that can interfere with our actions then it’s going to be a nightmare because they are also pretty hard to find socially due to lacking TMI.

[Cryogenics]

yes

[Scientist]

ok!

[Cryogenics]

bathroom thoughts are the best thoughts

[Facilitator]

Something pinged me about the surv/student interaction some posts back (around 1670)

Not going to investigate it now since they’re not poe (plus I’m definitely getting voted out before they are), but putting this here for later

[Coroner]

If I’m supposed to be even night alien lying about comms, can’t I just be blocked tonight?

[Coroner]

My concern is the poe being wrong. And it’s not just because I’m in it, but no one in the poe voted comms.

[Student]

@Coroner

If I’m supposed to be even night alien lying about comms, can’t I just be blocked tonight?

No, because you can be sympathizer.

[Student]

@Coroner

no, and I thought alien didn’t get a kill n1 since they killed the captain, or did I miss the point of that text entirely?

@Coroner

I knew that but for some reason internalized the captain killing thing for both which was stupid.

I would say that whoever said Coroner may be a wolf who thought they couldn’t kill N1 may have been onto something, but this would require that they didn’t read their rolecard…
Which is why, simply put, this sequence is probably villagery since that’s pretty unlikely. It doesn’t make them any less likely to be the Sympathizer though.

[Cryogenics]

How much time do we want to spend today? I don’t want to spend too much time for fear of running out of time later in the game.

[Security]

If we’re checking cryo against me and not officer tomorrow we have to choose whether we kill officer or accept losing the game to wolf him if we haven’t removed a wolf yet

[Cryogenics]

That actually is a pretty good point, and it brings up a memory I have of how the Officer role typically was treated in setups like this. From what I remember, In regicide 1 or 2 not sure which, there was a double voter there as well, and I think they both agreed to execute the Officer role regardless of reads a day before scum would receive majority with the Officer role around regardless of their reads. I’m not really sure if that’s the best plan here though and I’m not even certain if the math works out