Paladin and Sheriff changes

#1

The Sheriff Blue Dragon Investigative
Passives - None.
Day Ability - Surville, Your Expert Investigation will learn the exact unseen/Cult class (2 Uses)
Night Ability - Expert Investigation, learn if someone is a member of the Unseen or Cult.
Converts to the Marshal

Paladin Blue Dragon Killer
Day Ability(1): Smite, you will kill anyone attacking you tonight (1 Use)
Day Ability(2): Lended strength, your night action will bypass immunity (1 Use)
Night ability(1): Holy Trail, Follow a player if they attack you will attack them (Infinite)
Night ability(2): Cleanse, attack and kill a player, if you kill Blue Dragon you will not use night actions for two nights a not be able to use any remaining uses of Cleanse (2 uses)
Converts to Templar

Templar Unseen Offensive
Day Ability:(1) Zinc, Prevent a player from visiting anyone and make them come up as the Unseen.
Day Ability:(2) Unholy Protection, Prevent visits on the Mastermind (1 Use)
Night ability(1): revage, make a player show up as “Revaged” when dead also deleting there past logs (2 Uses)
Night ability(2): Defelect, Anyone targeting your selected player will target themself’s, (can be used on other unsee) (Infinite)

Marshal stays the same old guy.
The idea is to make it so sheriffs and paladins can’t tell if it’s a Cult game, I’d also advocate bleeding is also from the unseen. This would make paladin become Invoker and Sheriff become seeker, it also adds a new unseen class, a new bd killer which could spice up some claims, also this removes sheriffs scouts or paladins smites I feel like there should be another class that could have something to do with conversion preventing, as we need it at fair amount where unseen/Cult can convert but not obvious open claiming confirmed people.

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#2

Why can’t it just be a kill without any drawbacks, people will use it N1 or N2 to confirm themselves early or to get a quick hit at the other side.

Killing unseen and only unseen is stupid tbh and it should kill anyone :wink:

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#3

That would be similar to the knight, I understand it honestly it could be changed, what draw backs would you add.

Also it’s main ability may end up backfiring if a BD Killer is killing someone.

#4

It’s a better knight already. Just make it kill anyone it targets

#5

Nah I don’t want a Cs that’s like if alch and physician could both heal which they can’t… Wait Imma stop.

But if it’s a unique idea then yes, it’s second ability is only two use.

#6

It’s not a CS, it’s a vigilante shot that doesn’t kill you and kills the target.

#7

the main problem is

it has no drawbacks to yolo N1 and if it attacks mm they just stay silent for 4 nights while whispering to whoever

#8

Vigilante Shot kills the vigi lol.
Cleanse is weaker because it wouldn’t work on Neutrals and is two use I could make a draw back of it preventing the paladin to take actions the next two nights if it kills Bd.

#9

It’s EXTREMLY strong. It’s better then a CS already. As well I wasn’t talking about town of Salem vigilante I was taking about a normal vigilante who normally doesn’t have guilt :smirk:

#10

It already doesn’t kill BD tho

My point is it should kill everyone, it shouldn’t be an all knowing attacking

#11

Yeah I was making that suggestion IF it could attack bd.

#12

Kills knights, NKs, Assassins and Cult Leaders. Oh and poor inquisitor too.

??? Specify and Explain this.

Empowered Princess Wisp that requires you not be occupied. Makes Princess claims more obsolete.

Attacking a player
Incoming YOLOs. I dont see no reason to not yolo this ability. Who cares about losing 1 charge of a kill ability anyway, and besides its BD, attacking anyone you feel sus about is the whole key point to the BD.

Preventing Visits of any kind is actually stupid strong. It bypasses everything in the game, so don’t do it.

Useless on Unseen. Only 3 Unseen per cap, so if Templar is in play, deflecting Assassin or MM is like killing self or seppuku.

#13

This paladin is literally just a worse Duelist

#14

I like everything except this. It’s too similar to hunter’s bear.

#15

Hmm any suggestions maybe attack converts

#16

Nah that’s just smite. tbh I don’t really know what to do. It’s hard to create an unique BD killer that doesn’t powercreep an existing class.

#17

So you basically want to change pally to a big fat gimic. How about no there is nothing wrong with the current way paladin is. Also we dont need a knight that doesn’t commit suicide from killing BD thank you

#18

Also the smite you offer should not be a duplicate of hunter bear

#19

There’s no need to be rude.

Yes there is. Having a separate cop for each faction outs the opposing faction instantly, which isn’t good in a game of social deduction. Plus smite is overpowered. There are enough unconvertibles, there’s no risk to it since it literally only affects the CL(and hardcounters are a broken concept), and it takes little skill.

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#20

Agreed

They could always remove pally for now, I’m not always good at balancing classes and killer ones are hard to balance, there are way too many Invests and supports right now not enough killers or social bd.

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