Patch v3.0.0: Major Balance / 中文 Chinese Localization

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#61

I think those two are, as currently implemented, inherently inseparable. Giving people the ability to private message others will always lead to the possibility that the game will “shrink” down to less players actively involved in important discussions, but it offers no real room for growth to offset this.

I do, however, think there is a genuine possibility that only letting evil players whisper could provide a net benefit to the game - issue is, nobody has yet tried this, so it remains purely theory.

#62

Because everyone claim d2 is better then whisper the king your class

either way people are just going to find ways to make their life easier prince will just out now because he’s outed d2 anyway

#63

Added (v3.0.0-x3)

Notable Class Fixes

  • Matchmake will now return Incompatible if Scorned is matched with someone framed.
  • Fixed 2-target abilities that shouldn’t allow targeting the King in target panel 2.
  • Fixed Chronomancer’s Pocket Dimension to work vs bleeding out.
  • Inquisitor’s attack will no longer result in DNR instead of CNH for the healer.
  • Ritualist’s Teleportation target 2 panel can no longer target the King.
  • Hunter’s Mark abil’s occupy mini-revamped: Should work way better, now.
    • Eg, vs Sorcerer, among others.
    • Still may not work properly vs Knight, however (WIP - this ability’s code is a pain :slight_smile: ).
  • Fixed targeting for abils that would allow self-targeting in 2nd target panel, but not 1st; such as Strings of Mithras
  • Apostle can no longer use Cult Pressure on other Cult members (definitely not intended :P)

Localization

  • Removed the Chinese<>English switcher due to an overwhelming number of issues switching back and forth: It’s like coding the game twice, similar to reconnection: This seems to be why most online games don’t allow you to swap languages mid-game :confused: Apologies!

General

  • Added more Glossary terms.

Art

  • While class cards still have the full-size portraits, top-left in-game portraits have zoomed portraits (since details are lost from such a small size).
  • Nightwatch got a portrait revamp (#baldByChoice):
    1070×1033

Fluff

  • Class Cards Notifications name replaced with Feedback for consistency.
  • Butler’s feedback for cancel was removed (leftover experimental cancel).
  • Better memos for Teleportation and Tornado abils.
  • Better class card ability text masking when scrolling.
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#64

This scope is getting a bit big – scope now locked to what we have now unless it’s an internal bug caused this patch. It is nice, though, that we were able to fit in so many extra fixes.

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#65

dayum who knew the Unseen had the power to grow so much hair

#66

sadly I causes rapid ageing

#67

What do you mean? Observer is covered in thick white wool like all other BD, and this guy is still balding.

smh

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#68
  • d/c’s are now killed off the following morning:
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#69

Thanks this has been a issue for a long time I hate games where I get unseen/cult and Mastermind or Cult leader dc’s and literally cannot have any converts until n3.

I do wish reconnecting would come back because I’ve been randomly dc’d by the servers but this is actually a great change that will help lessen evils (or even bd) getting screwed over by a random dc.

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#70

Unfortunately, reconnection will never return - which is why so many games don’t support it. It’s like coding the entire game twice, and opens up to soo many exploits/bugs. Even with my experience, I’ll leave reconnection to the AAA studios (although even Borderlands couldn’t do it). I’d have to have already known how to r/c and build the game with it in mind from the very beginning (not later). It’s like building a 60-story building, then deciding you want your 50th story to be 50% higher after it’s built.

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#71

If it causes more problems then it’s worth then fair enough It is something I miss because of sometimes having bad connection but honestly most of the time it’s going to be fine

While not a direct balance change I do think it will have a positive outcome on games.

#72

Probably a bad suggestion, but can’t you make a sort of replacement system like we have here?

Like, pull someone from a queue (who isn’t in a party) into the game?

#73

That would be absurdly annoying to alot of players and have the same issues with reconnecting (I’m pretty sure).

#74

It doesn’t work that well in a turbo game

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#75

Arguably it doesn’t work that well in non-turbo either

It’s marginally better than modkills when phases are longer but it starts to cone with its own downsides when people can replace in while having spectated

So I’ll grant it’s probably not better than modkills in turbos but it’s not really “good” anywhere

#76

We know how the game fares without it…it’s been removed and added about 5 times. We always end up with WKM which ends up boring for everyone but the King and/or Prince as all the information filters through the King. I’ve not played in a good while again but to be honest, looking in and finding this is being discussed/removed again is a little sad.

Edit - I might be wrong on how many times it’s been removed and added again, it just feels as though the constant meta’s for the game is WKM or whatever they called the one going down the list cos they couldn’t whisper anymore. Both create boring game play.

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#77

Considering how VFR meta is more engaging for most people - I don’t think we will see a jump towards WKM

#78

The issue is that removing that engagement is basically the appeal of the strategy

Reducing a complex problem to a simpler one

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#79

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At no point has it ever been impossible to not abuse whispers

Yet it always happens anyways

Clearly player engagement is not the most critical factor

#80

EDIT: Rephrasing this start part: Unless you can find a way to balance whispers so that you have them used but not abused, remove whispers altogether.

This just sets the game back to the various metas that, as I said, prevented a lot of peoples actual participation in the game. We removed the Mystics private whispers because it was abused and turned the game into a single player game. Birds was added in the first place to try and stop WKM. And now you’re going backwards. And I’m tired of seeing this game go backwards instead of forward. We’re going back to a game that is a wall of pink text with the king voting someone up with no context and just saying “exe”.

You can’t really refuse to participate in it either, as inevitably it becomes the norm and if you refuse you are upped and exed. If enough people do manage to refuse and maintain a balance then good for them but we’ve seen from the past that this doesn’t happen.

Though as I phrased it on Discord:

Can this game never actually go forward and do new things, rather than repeating the mistakes of the past or rehashing the same old stuff?

Edited this a lot due to bad phrasing and being more aggressive than intended.