Prince Meta Solution: Remove the Assassin's 2 for 1 and add 1 use Frenzy

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#1

I saw this suggestion on the subreddit and thought it to be simple and seemingly effective.

Allowing the Assassin to Frenzy kill once per game will prevent D1 Prince claims and kill the Prince claim meta single-handedly. The Enforcer can keep his own Frenzy ability or be replaced with something else. Maybe he can take the 2 for 1 ability? Sounds OP.

If you DON’T like this idea -

Make it so the King’s Execution pierces healing so Evil Kings can’t fail on killing the Prince and be outed the next morning. This would also make Princes hesitant to claim.

If you DON’T like THIS idea -

Feel free to give your own that doesn’t involve whispering.

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#2

/nosupport. This would make enforcer less special. I’d prefer it if 2 for 1 was changed into a day ability modifer for assassinate to replace distract and a new night ability was added: ambush(1 or 2 use)- kill everyone visiting your target.

I do like your second idea though.

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#3

No u

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#4

Beginning a sentence with /nosupport just makes you reek of a meta supporter.

Adding to that, enforcer isn’t even that special since there are plenty of alternatives to frenzy.

Also, removing 2 for 1 from the assassin will overall be a good thing seeing as though less assassins will miss use it

#5

A lot of people say /nosupport. There’s nothing wrong with it.

Name some then.

It’s not a complete removal. 2 for 1 would still be there, just as a day ability modifier for distract

#6

Have you even played the game?

Firewall

#7

Firewall doesn’t prevent the assassin from being occupied

#8

(That’s not the point)

#9

Also you didn’t counter my third point

#10

Actually there is a problem. It’s pointless. It adds no content and can be explained but the rest of your post. Same with /support, in fact.

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#11

It used to be like this, but was reverted.

Overall suggestion #1 I think is good, and it’s nice and simple. I’d suggest giving the enforcer just a one shot kill, to mimic 2 for 1.

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#12

Meaning it’s worse than before

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#13

It already got fixed with apostle being able to be starting cult with maid spy plus it can be easily countered via Empower Reap/Circle of death

So I don’t think it will be used again anyway

Good Ideas though :slight_smile:

#14

/no support, I’m a stinky meta supporter
There’s a difference between additons that let people break the meta, and additions that are made specifically to break A meta. One of them is a bad design.

If we don’t want people to follow the whisper the Prince, I think the solution lies within how that information gets transferred. I don’t think being evils being able to instakill any powerful claiming BD is the answer ~

Perhaps instead of Foresight, Mastermind could have an ability allowing them to access another player’s chat history for a day?

Some form of this ability could be applied to anyone.

The Frenzy idea, to me, just seems problematic.

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#15

While I’m not a meta supporter I do agree with this

#16

And yes, replying to the inevitable comment that I know Enforcer / Sage already exist. These are converts, rewarding the scum to grab certain people to work around certain scenarios. These types of abilites shouldn’t come prepackaged with scum.

#17

That comment was more a sarcastic response to what Braixen said earlier, but I’m honestly not as mad at this meta as others seem to be.

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#18

Even if you argue that this isn’t needed, nothing seems inherently wrong with the idea. There’s no way it makes the worse.

#19

It is unneeded though

Soo many counters to the Prince meta and the meta has become so rare that it will basically do nothing

2f1 is much more useful imo

#20

This most definitely “makes the worse”. Unseen Assassin getting complete protection bypass right out of the box is broken in numerous ways, allowing them to kill any Sheriff / GK / Prince that will inevitably get outted in turbo games.

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