Prince rework Less powerful

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#121

Accidentally deleted it

#122

This is why I go out of my way to use objective statements whenever possible

#123

It’s balanced just not a good kind or fun

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#124

hypothetically anyway it could be better who knows?

#125

All other things being equal balance is better than not balance.

Things get complicated with not all things are equal.

#126

You know what would be interesting. If we put a public tol poll right now I guarantee you they would love for a neutral killer to have 33% win rate. However I think if they had a month of that and they were given the same poll they would vote they hate it.

#127

I don’t think so. I’m betting most people would have the same emotional gut reaction as you, soul and even me a year ago

#128

btw an NK win is only a 13-12 player loss, not a 14 player loss. You forgot the 2-3 neuts

#129

Are you sure? I don’t know, most people who play tol are unexperienced in balancing setups and will think “Yes I won’t automatically lose as neutral Killer anymore”

#130

Also there is the fact that all losses are due to the mechanics of the game no matter what the odds are. So having it be a 33% chance of losing because of mechanics makes me wonder where the other 33% of losses come from.

#131

Btw the 1% is the Alchemist killing everyone

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#132

The problem with balancing win rates like 33/33/33 is that it’s meant to balance for the average tol player base.

#133

so what happens when you have a great player as a neutral killer. They always win

#134

no. 33/33/33% is balance no matter what the player base is.

#135

Nuke imagine a chart about skill level

#136

Nuclear your subjectively wrong balance isn’t always just about equal win rates.

#137

He’s subjectively wrong while objectively right

#138

If you are increasing the skill level of the NK then you also need to increase the skill level of the other players for the comparison to be meaningful

#139

we can beat him with raw emotions and crazy metaphors

#140

sigh