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#3586

i actually haven’t played mad17 myself lol

#3587

wait ok i lied

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i looked through the setup and was like “this is familiar”

#3588

Wait
question

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Category:Vanilla_(Open_Setup)

This says this setup has a… 25% town EV?

#3589

Option 5
15 players

10x Vanilla Townies
2x Town Jack of All Trades (9x Tracker, 9x Motion Detector, 9x Doctor)

3x Mafia Goons

Pros:

  • yes

Cons:

  • no
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#3590

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While the EV project can be useful for some purposes, their calculations explicitly assume that eliminations occur at random among non-mechanically-cleared players, which in a Mountainous game is all of them. This means that it will consistently return the result that any plausible-to-run setup is mafia-sided; after all, a setup that had a town expected winrate of 50 percent if town eliminates at random would be extremely townsided after accounting for the possibility of reads. (The wiki page notes that on MS, town has historically performed worse than rand in Mountainous, but if town is literally voting at worse odds than rolling a die they deserve to lose)

Mountainous is one of the more wolf-sided commonly run setups (as demonstrated by the number of reasonably balanced 15 player setups that are more townsided than Mountainous), but it is less wolf-sided than a pure expected value calculation would suggest.

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#3591

god is dead and I have killed her

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#3592

question

rate the fairness of a 15p mountainous versus that of a 17p mountainous

both with 3 mafia

#3593

17p would not be that fun to play

as either alignment

#3594

why

#3595

because it’s long and boring

#3596

ah
it’s one more day longer than a 15p tho

#3597

this is mostly for the village

for the wolves losing one goon sucks ass

#3598

an 8 day mountainous tests the patience of even the strongest among us

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#3599

this is my main concern

I’d hate to rand wolf in that setup

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#3600

if ur gonna run mountainous run 15er or go the full hog and run nightless 50er

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#3601

questions

  1. how different is an 8-day mountainous from a 7-day mountainous
    im basically just asking “is mountainous boring for ppl”
  2. how big is the difference in impact of losing scum in a 15p vs a 17p

basically im trying to be funny and add like 4 different setups to the queue at the same time with all the same player count :^)

#3602

isn’t that just Shin Megami Tensei

#3603

run jailkeeper37

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#3604

i dont think that will fill

#3605

What

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