Resolved: Fool is competitive #debate

If you accuse the Prince that’s still good for you. So you shouldn’t be worried about that.

That’s not good, you always get called a fool or scorn if you call a confirmed person “immune”, you don’t want people to narrow down your class to one of 2.

Tele is older than I (in player years).

Outing prince is worth it, and it’s interesting to note that in the case of a sellsword they’d have narrowed it down to the WRONG 2.

Hah! :smile:

My opinion is that Fool takes away something from a “pure” competitive atmosphere, BUT fits perfectly within Throne of Lies.

This is the same game that has a variable number of neutrals spawning and a variable number of starting scum (king can be evil). The game that has conversion and throws players of all skill levels with no matchmaking together. This is not a game that is suited towards a hyper competitive atmosphere and doesn’t have to be.

Something wacky like Fool shakes up the game a little bit. It adds another layer of scumreading and gives evils always a social last resort. It is challenging and gratifying to be able to call a Fool exactly and it is akin to a challenge like winning as Neutral Killer in my opinion. I like the increased aspect of difficulty in it and I do not feel so bad about executing a Fool when I am BD. I think scum rarely minds to execute a fool either, so they don’t get a feelsbad either.

Finally, it is an unique playstyle to play a Fool and a nice change of pace to roll it once in a while. Is it problematic that the say nothing strategy can be oh so successful? Definitely in a social deduction game, however I think paradoxically this can be true for certain groupscum classes too sadly. Buying another day by just being silent and not making any waves works decently well. My personal solution to this would be to change their win condition to get executed on either odd or even days (randomized at game start). They need a gameplan then, to get executed on the right day and they better be acting townie on the other days. The one downside to this would be that reading a Fool might become harder.

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This is false

…as a direct result of this.

At best it replaces a layer of scumreading. But fools existance harms scumreading far more than it could ever help it.

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You can read for different types of scum and fools are just one more different kind. Lost wolves, lynchers, jesters, Serial killers, regular wolves all act differently.

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Actually that sounds fun :upside_down_face:

I’m cool with that, but would also like that paired with a change from a harsh punishment for lynching it to a reward for killing it

Could be good

obv would need to avoid encouraging people to give it free wins

but

“hey im fool lynch me for a reward” :eyes:

heck you knew what i was gonna say

No

Lynching is no reward

Nightkilling would give the reward

So like

Prince/Knight/Hunter(/Ranger) could reap benefits if the Fool’s identity is known

Whereas Assassin/Cult Leader could if rhe scum find it first

If the reward is good enough people won’t lynch it to instead nightkill it

If there’s no punishment for lynching, you can just out yourself as fool and ask for getting executed.
A lot of courts would be neuts in enough to actually do that.

rewarding nightkills would inherently favor scum more since BDs only consistent nightkills are prince (as in, hunter/knight aren’t guaranteed and hunter can’t exactly reliably kill a fool, if at all)

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:thinking:

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look i came up with this vague idea
i haven’t figured out a reward that counteracts this

Yes

I see no issue with that given Fool has always been like that

and thats a bad thing because…?

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im not stating it’s a bad thing

just thinking out loud really