Return Of The Darkness Upick - Game Over - well that happened i guess

[Chloe]

what

the v!marshal i know always plays by PoE, and tends to focus on trying to clear LHF-y slots
which i feel i’ve seen here wrt gorta and eli at least (arguably app as well)
she also values finding villabros over wolves

[Marluxion]

Completed: S2: Newbie’s Paradise #6

iso marshal here
start on page 2

[Marluxion]

like her thoughts are really easy to follow there
here it’s like she’s barry allen and speeding to places and i can’t see the route her brain took to get there

[Chloe]

me, realizing idfk why i townread marshal atm

i should figure that out

[katze]

awoooo

@Marluxion

marshal came to the v katze conclusion way faster than i think she should have

i disagree

but lets see

Summary

@Marshal

Be absolutely skeptical of katze ftr

@Marshal

I think katze even wolfreading me is cringe tbh and I don’t think she’d fake it as villager here tbhtbhhhhhhhhhhh

@Marshal

lolkatze

@Marshal

yah im not sure what’s up with katze

chloe’s super villaging tho

@Marshal

I think her posts are weird and not in a katze-weird way. Das basically it.

I also don’t see how her read on me is anything but ‘wait and see’ idk how anyone could garner any sort of serious wolfread on me at that point.

@Marshal

Marshal
Sulit
Min
Chloe (only here cuz I know if she’s town she dies eventually and if she isn’t she’ll not be allowed to live and I think having v!chloe exist in my headspace is good)

Gorta (not in core only because I think people would sheep it too hard if I died because of past mistakes and it’s not that confident, and I do want you to kiiinda sheep it when I die. Use judgement reading him. Thanks.)
Katze (noooooooot explaining, fuck you)
Marl

YBW
Eli

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PoE (unordered)

Everyone else

@Marshal

Slot’s unpartnered with katze

I believe arete wanted to dunk on cat

I also believe that urge could be immediately fulfilled after seeing a wolfchat with no katze

@Marshal

fair enough

altho katze i’m ignoring the claim. Not because katze but because I think ici would put an informed miller in the game just to fuck with everyone (especially katz)

@Marshal

@Arete pls dont talk about katze

no amount of words will get it anywhere besides “i think miller not exist??” “But am miller!!!” and you’re a very good reader so I’d apprecaite you do like anything else

@Marshal

FTR I thought kat was genuinely rescinding and was kinda whatzefuck but ignored it

now tbh I wanna say kats villlabroooooooooooo like I have but i’ll think

@Marshal

Marshal
Sulit
Chloe
(lol)
Min
YBW

Gortakatzemarl

Towncore + weird amalgamation of townleans

@Marshal

Veto min, townlean katze but it’s katze so I’m not saying no

Others look p solid

@Marshal

Can katze just, like, not

Ever?

@Marshal

Katze (For, in all likelihood, just being a villager + spew)

@Marshal

Mkay chloe ur read is very pepega tbqh

but centuries ur slot is simply a villager and I want to work with you and talk about the game but if you fly off the handle every time katze or chloe is annoying in a mafia game you will be tilted 24/7 and I cant do that

@Marshal

Its how I play

I’m not made of explinations

I already gotta explain complicated katze and mist v reads and try to actually crunch down PoE

@Marshal

Village:

Marshal
Gorta
Chloe
Nightingale
Katze

@Marshal

@katze

Willing to kill marl w/ me?

@Marshal

It appears that it has been scientifically proven that katze is incapable of not derailing life

@Marshal

@Marshal

Like atm

I really just struggle seeing

Gorta
Katze

ever being wolves

@Marshal

Arete I want you to look me directly in the eyes

I think katze is very, VERY likely to be a villager. 0 Mechanics involved. You’ve thrown her name out a ton. It’s based off of silly mechanical stuff that honestly you should be putting little to no stock in. It’s lazy

I’m confident as hell that katze is a villager. Challenge me. Don’t just be throwing this stuff around.

@Marshal

Look. Her RT stuff is pretty derailing. But katze, as villager, has a way of getting extremely out of thread flow and irritated and combatative. There’s an extreme air of passive-agressiveness that katze simply cannot replicate as mafia. It’s ever-present here. It’s extremely towny.

Now it’s theoretically possible katze not only figured out how to duplicate something i’ve only ever seen them do as town and flawlessly and for 800 posts.
But it’s extremely unlikely. Extremely. And I want you to read katze’s posts and tell me that their extreeeeeme fuck you additude to thread isn’t villagery asf.

Kat knows I townread her for this but I still think she’s widely out of her range and chloe does too.

@Marshal

Yeah.

She can be annoyed as wolf and it shows yeah.
But the annoyance is always triggered at things that would annoy town!kat

it’s not a wolf thing to go “YOU RUINED BY FRICKING REACTIONTEST IT WAS GONNA BE REALLY GOOD BUD LIKE SERIOUSLY COME THE FRICK ON MAYBE IF U HUMOURED ME I WOULDNT BE LOOKING LIKE I WAS CONSTANTLY DERAILNG THREAD!!!”

(exaggerated for effect)

it’s not what a wolf gets annoyed that. It’s thread-borne
Bread-borne.
Villa-read-katze-or-i-bonk-u-on-the-head-borne

@Marshal

Also it’s digestible. Like a v!katze sandwich

Chloe roasts an entire v!katze pig. At most ur gonna eat like a few slices before realizing you aren’t going to eat the whole thing and wonder why she baked it in the first place

@Marshal

I got Me/Chloe/Katze/Gorta as just villagers.

Now butter makes everything taste better so I do wish she was in the recipe but I think we can crush

just gotta organize

come to your own conclusion i wont hold your hand

my conclusion

i still disagree

[Marluxion]

i did come to my own conclusion
and we can agree to disagree

[katze]

cool im glad we have these talks marluxion

[DatBird]

Voted	Voters	Number of Votes
Derps	Chloe, Marshal, Nightingale	3/8
ATNoName	Zone, Eli, Katze	3/8
Katze	Marl, Arete	2/8
Eli	Mist	2/8
Marl	PKR	1/8
Jane	Derps	1/8
Not Voting	Gorta, Jane, Sulit, ATNoName	5

@ me for new votes and mistakes or u get no more votecounts.

Dont think things changed.

Edit: Sleepth taketh me away

[Chloe]

Iso’d marshal

P confident shes villagin still yeah

If derps flips v i’d take a harder look at her but yeah im fine w/ my townread there
Might explain in the morning if EoD isn’t chaotic and my brain is working

Also if derps flips wolf marshal is towwnwnwnwnwn

Bye

@katze u gib marshal take too plsthanks ur better marshal readur

[katze]

@Chloe

@katze u gib marshal take too plsthanks ur better marshal readur

probably just town

maybe ill effort the read d3

ye

[Arete]

mrrr

I feel like I’m spinning my wheels a bit, like whatever angle I try looking at the game I’m not really coming to new conclusions

[Arete]

I’m going to try a trustfall, which is a thing from MU where I just

list my strongest reason to V-read each slot

and then see how strong each of them are

it might help resolve the fact that I somehow simultaneously feel like everyone is a villager and no one is a villager

1. Marluxion - I know basically everyone else disagrees but I feel like his posts have the “spark” I normally see from V!Marl, also he voted on Wind, also also I feel like our views of the game are fairly aligned in a way that’s probably a good sign?
2. Nightingale - claiming the poison on Marl is probably super minus-EV as scum
3. an_gorta_pratai - he’s showing the paranoia I expect from his villagegames
4. Mistyx - voted on Wind, is Mist and not obvwolf
5. Jane - first voter on the final Wind wagon
6. ZoneQ11 - seems to basically be in his “town meta,” though he’s broken his meta in the past. some of his lines of questioning also seem good/novel in a way that seems likely to be town?
7. WindwardAway - Exceuted D1 Roy Mustang -
8. EliThePsycho - not a complete ice cube, just a partial one
9. Chloe - lots of good depthful Chloe takes, balance of paranoia and trying to clear people fits with a village PoV
10. SirDerpsALot - dead wolf spent basically her entire Iso trying to kill him, also he had some posts I liked today
11. Marshal - low level of investment on D1 matches with her play in Zelda, I’m vaguely inclined to think that as a wolf she would be worse at prioritizing IRL over the game
12. Katze - Chloe and Marissa say she’s town
13. min Centuries PKR - the way that Centuries handled the roleblocker claim was super townie (and almost certainly true regardless of his alignment)
14. ArcticXI - Died N1 Society - dead villager
15. Apprentice YouButWorse ATNoName - idk App might be less likely to gamethrow as scum I guess?
16. TrustworthyLiberal Arete - hi
17. Silviu200530 Sulit - has more than zero WiM on D2 and is sulit

[Arete]

so if I had to cluster them it would look something like this (not sorted within tiers)

good reasons

Marl
Zone
Chloe
Derps

okay reasons

Night
Gorta
Mist
Jane
katze
PKR

bad reasons

Eli
Marissa
ATNo
sulit (full disclosure this would normally be in the next tier up but I really hated her readlist)

[Arete]

wow

I really hate this readlist

but I kind of think it’s better than anything else I have so far?

[Arete]

@Arete

Marissa

this is honestly the slot I feel weirdest about having where I have it

because like

my gut is saying she’s just a villager?

and I feel like my brain cares more than it should about the fact that I disagree with all her reads

but also, when I look at my reasons for clearing her, they’re objectively speaking not really good enough to have her in my towncore

[Arete]

@Arete

good reasons

Marl
Zone
Chloe
Derps

the fact that like 75 percent of my towncore is consensus PoE is also concerning

[Arete]

I don’t even know if I’d call this my towncore or just my ‘list of people I have good reasons to townread’

I guess it would be weird for those not to be the same

[Arete]

@Arete

ATNo

this should plausibly be higher given how Wind treated him

[Arete]

tfw I’ve been in the game half as long as most of you and I’m the fifth poster

I need a life

[Arete]

can someone like

talk to me about this

I feel sorta like I felt in Shortnite after writing That One Wallpost despite having objectively way less reason to