Rwby fm - wolves win! at least it wasnt a ******* scumstomp

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#5764

We only always lose to Arete/Eli W/W specifically, if you follow this plan. If you’re afraid of that, you can swap Arete with Atlas. Then we lose to Blizer/Eli/Atlas if Arete/Derps are both V. And if Arete/Derps has one wolf, but Blizer is V, we lose to Eli/Atlas.

This plan relies on Eli being town to work, come to think of it. And I think Eli being town is likely because I don’t see the point in them bussing, unless you think Eli just wanted to distance with lol and what happened next was a sheer accident.

#5765

And an Arete/Eli W/W world also implies a weird contrast, where lol villagereads Eli, but Eli wolfreads lol, and both reads are fairly consistent. It looks like a V/W dynamic in a vacuum. I understand people arguing this point, though.

#5766

You know we can check to see when Eli put their vote on lol

#5767

There’s no telling whether Eli was present for what happened next (but not posting on purpose) or not. Them not being present is >rand V, because if you’re wagoning your partner, you want to get credit for their flip or save them if it gets too far. Them being present would be >rand W, because it means Eli knew PKR was going over based on what Arctic and Hippo were posting and saw no reason to voteswap, knowing lol’s future flip (if it ever happened) would look good for him.

#5768

It’s me trying to objectively evaluate the game without pushing my Arete wolf!!! read above everything.

This is an outright lie. This is not a real thought. Again.

#5769

I am the literal only person who has offered a plan and went through every single potential wolfteam from my POV. I am so obviously a villager it is not even funny.

Arete choosing to case me now feels like they’re doing this because my plan wins the game and they can’t have that.

#5770

I’m on mobile, but I think there is an interaction from day 1 I want point out that I think is kinda intriguing surrounding eli

#5771

When I get on pc I’ll get to it

#5772

We also lose to Arete/Eli/Blizer specifically, but:

#5773

i like your plan
i think we could easily lose to eli w but i don’t think we have the luxury of entertaining that at this point

#5774

I’m going to sleep, it’s past 2 AM here and I have work starting at 9 AM. I am going to be in pain, but it is what it is. I chose this.

When I wake up I can’t guarantee I won’t go against my original plan and ask you all to kill Arete depending on how bad the case on me is.

#5775

I don’t think that makes you a villager

you’ve outlined it the most but with enough wim anyone could, these plans are, shockingly, pro-wincon if you are mafia.

#5776

Yeah i mean

thats the thing tbh, hes not accounting our PoV really on the slot and is just saying “Im town here, my posts in thought process and content is towny, listen to me”

im gonna get that Eli interaction from d1 hold on.

#5777

ATP I want one of derps/blizer out. I think derps is more independantly wolfy, blizer’s stuff has been overall really not doing it for me, I think he has a few clashing mindsets and has felt flaily for most of this day phase after dying.

But like, derps’s posts in general and push on me especially are peak slime time.
He should have found me as villager by now almost certainly. He knows my heart and soul. Him floating by on postcount and marl interactions has bought him days that he rlly doesn’t deserve

He sets me up at EoD3 to look bad and then comes in with a push on me

This also looks like TMI because it comes from the perspective i’m a villager without ever actually stating that himself (ironic considering the post). This isn’t what derps was doing but marl pointing this out and his later pushes feels like it at least makes sense in a tmibus world, not incriminating but is part of why i’ve given up marl spew

#5778

if it’s an arete/vul dome then, like
whatever brah

im going to entirely miss EoD. I will be around for maybe 20 minutes 5 hours before EoD and then I have to help 5 year olds make pipe cleaner buildings for an extended period of time

i lean arete but realistically would need time I do not have

#5779

Marl’s reaction to Eli’s PKR vote is interesting

Considering that Marl knew PKR was town, this interaction (Rather one-sided) Feels like distancing from the slot slightly, considering everyone else was defending the slot around this time, as most people TR Eli here

Ehh, not saying we should start putting Eli into the equation today, but this interaction is one to consider as we head on

#5780

i could set an alarm to wake up early to read over night and properly respond but i’d rather watch twitch tonight so that’s not gonna happen

im still here, i’m obviously going to be here tommorow at this point but i’d like to hammer some thoughts out before I do

#5781

Honestly same tbh

#5782

i just wanna be right

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#5783

WHY VULGARD IS A WOLF

a case in several parts

1. How Vulgard forms his reads

This is one of the first things I noticed about his slot, even before I subbed into the game. Imagine making a list of “common reasons to townread/scumread people.” Essentially all of Vulgard’s reads feel like he took the reasoning from that hypothetical list and stapled it onto the playerlist, like his reads are reads manufactured in the read factory rather than the result of a genuine, natural solving process.

This one is a little hard to provide examples for, because everyone makes reads like that sometimes, maybe even a lot of the time. But most villagers have some reads that don’t feel like that, and in particular Vul’s towngame tends to include more of those “creative” reads.

Here are some examples from Morphogenetic Mafia (a game where he did a notably worse-than-usual-for-him job of explaining his reads, and got misexe’d day 1):

Morphogenetic Mafia posts

(not a read, but a serious question)

Here are some examples from Autumn Invitational: