I was trying to figure out the players I was playing with.
Eli, Atlas.
Explaining why I know a good bit about social deduction games. I have about 720 wins in tos, 480 ish losses (dunno the hours, i play web) Like 196.4 ish hours in tol, and 172.2 hours in Untrusted.
All i’ve been doing is playing untrusted, which is why i asked this
Just making sure, I knew this, eli told me
Bad reasoning, in hindsight. I figured if you show more interest in the thread and solving problems, It makes you more likely to be v. I was wrong.
Making sure
I was trying to contribute, even if I didn’t know what was going on, and even if it was probably stupid
Trying to decipher who the vigi shot. I’m not sure why i did this, but im pretty sure it was because I wanted to figure out suspicious people (not sure how this would help)
My response to cringe-richard vote. I wasn’t very pleased with him, i can say that. Its worth noting I didn’t vote him.
Min was super pushy on marlux, and i didn’t know at the the time min tracked him
At this point he was confirmed mafia. I knew that we would 100% get a wolf, because he admitted to it. I wanted him gone after his use for the extra time was gone.
Response to Marl speaking
Trying to get him to stop talking
It was the obvious, I was refering to when marshal said this made me more townie.
Marl was annoying me
Answering min’s question i forgot to answer earlier
Trying to outline the situation. Some people thought this was wolfy, i just thought it was common sense
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Why before vulgard was wolfy and now hes fine: the novel
He was, infact, not town
He called both of the dead wolves town day one, which makes me feel suspicious about him beforehand
ATE
I really like this, even if Richard flipped town. Richard was 100% cringe, and should’ve died, even if town
Accuses him and then instantly defends him
Valid point against cringe-richard
Was after marl was outted wolf. Doesn’t bother explaining why he thought he was town
Arctic was doctor, but it does make sense that a PR would play in the same nervousness that a wolf would feel, especially if you weren’t outted (like mist outted d1)
shenanigans
Do you still believe this? Derps was not included because he “claimed neighborizer”, which is fine
if your gonna be not relevant at all, at least be funny
I like this, especially because of how marshal was acting
accepts responsibility
Past this is when i started v reading him
valid
Bliz was good, but like the push on derps
eli was hella lazy then
Lol was acting super super wolfy
thats just called being bad
To his credit, re-reading blizer made him sound decently wolfy
This is weird, and I’m glad vul called bliz out on this
Doesn’t instantly jump to the front of being v in Arctic’s eyes, instead questions him for that train of thought
This is not a good pass, and bliz was town, while derps was mafia
Pretty decent
Trying to figure out a plan to move forward, very v
No clue what this website is, but using other game’s plays to figure out w’s and v’s
Derps was evil, and unless vul was bussing (something derps would not like, based on his previous games (has a record of bussing other wolves for no reason)) (im not an alt i found this from another post) Vul was probably good
Explaining why I changed my thoughts on him
Part 1 of 2
this is a slot that I kind of shelved for most of the game because ‘oh he’s a newbie, he’s made some reads and seems reasonably pure,’ where by ‘most of the game’ I mean ‘day 4, because I literally didn’t get to play day 5 and by day 6 he was back in my PoE’. I do think his posts are better than I would expect from newbie scum, but I don’t know if that’s enough.
I appreciate that he is actually making an attempt to do things in this LyLo. There’s a part of me that’s tempted to just vote Eli for that alone but I don’t actually think that’s reasonable/AI.
There have been a couple points in this LyLo where he’s felt “uninformed,” like when he didn’t seem to realize that I’m mechconfirmed town. Ehhh. Not sure how big a point that is, I don’t know if scumchat would have spelled that out deliberately until it happened.
When I look at the associatives I’ve done so far he feels the “most compatible.” I don’t know, maybe I just need to look harder.
Eli
…so I didn’t say this at the time, because I thought it would reinforce the ‘Arete/Eli W/W’ narrative that was floating around (which was potentially gamelosing regardless of my alignment), but coming into today Eli was my top townread. But – part of that was because everyone else kept doing wolfy stuff, and Eli wasn’t doing much of anything, and part of that was meta and I’ve been snowed by wolves who dramatically improved their meta. In particular if he’s partnered with Marshal I know Marshal coaches her partners heavily, so. Weh.
I’m just putting in a note here that the thunderdome is really weird because it feels like neither of them is really, truly going in guns blazing. Atlas maybe moreso than Eli, but Eli is sort of just like ‘yeah Atlas is a wolf’ and then dips for hours. Which … you could call that W/W indicative but if it’s W/W they’re not really playing in a way that’s conducive to winning?
Marshal
mrrr
So, I’m just going to put a disclaimer here that normally what I tell myself I should do is ignore whether Marshal feels villagery, and just read her on results. And then I don’t do that, and in postgame when she turns out to have been a wolf I’m like ‘:surprised_pikachu:.’ If I do that here it’s … not great, the only wolf she really pushed much at all before endgame was Derps, regardless of who the hypothetical non-her wolf is.
I haven’t been thrilled with her MyLo/LyLo play, in many ways it’s felt like she was trying to preserve me as a misexecution until she stopped being able to. Her play post thunderdome feels wolfy but I think it would feel wolfy regardless of her alignment because if she’s a villager she knows that Atlas is 100 percent a wolf.
The doctor thing is a thing. I’ve been tinfoiling it as fake a Lot, but it’s … I’m not actually sure if that’s super plausible? Mrr.
I kind of felt like she was trying to get Vul to vote because she expected him to vote wrong. Which would probably put her with Atlas except that she said she was expecting him to vote Eli?
Vulgard
I am super conflicted on this slot. I think … all the points I raised against him when I first cased him make sense and are valid. I also think his play the last couple of days doesn’t really make sense if he’s a wolf? like he didn’t have to reevaluate me into a villageread, there was enough anti-Arete sentiment that he could probably just force me to be the gamewinning misexecution. He’s also had a couple posts today that make me think he’s Just A Villager – but I know that he figured out at some point what sort of things I’m looking for, and he might be taking advantage of that. And one of them is pretty silly, the one about putting a quote into his Syndicate signature. I forget about if he heard about that time when I read Chloe as a villager for more or less that reason.
If he’s a wolf it has to be with Atlas. If that’s the case he’s going all out on trying to win this in F5 with an Eli vote, and I’m not sure that’s how he’d play it as scum? Like I feel like trying to win in F3 is more likely from that position, based on the general sentiment before he voted Eli.
I want to stress that I’m not claiming to have a godread here. A good read, yes, but not a perfect one.
I changed my mind I’ve decided that most of the kills aren’t actually super meaningful and that the players killed aren’t normally high accuracy enough for me to just sheep them for being villagers
he didn’t make it through the whole thing but backreading literally the entire game is a lot of work and there are definitely more pro-wolf ways to direct that effort as scum…
I was going to say that if the team isn’t Eli/Atlas then the team decided to have the more townread wolf bus and the less townread wolf not bus but I don’t think that’s technically true
