Alright, i’ll go through some important points and all my votes
One second
This was a test, no need to talk about
Test
I was trying to figure out the players I was playing with.
Eli, Atlas.
Explaining why I know a good bit about social deduction games. I have about 720 wins in tos, 480 ish losses (dunno the hours, i play web) Like 196.4 ish hours in tol, and 172.2 hours in Untrusted.
All i’ve been doing is playing untrusted, which is why i asked this
Just making sure, I knew this, eli told me
Bad reasoning, in hindsight. I figured if you show more interest in the thread and solving problems, It makes you more likely to be v. I was wrong.
Making sure
I was trying to contribute, even if I didn’t know what was going on, and even if it was probably stupid
Trying to decipher who the vigi shot. I’m not sure why i did this, but im pretty sure it was because I wanted to figure out suspicious people (not sure how this would help)
My response to cringe-richard vote. I wasn’t very pleased with him, i can say that. Its worth noting I didn’t vote him.
Min was super pushy on marlux, and i didn’t know at the the time min tracked him
At this point he was confirmed mafia. I knew that we would 100% get a wolf, because he admitted to it. I wanted him gone after his use for the extra time was gone.
Response to Marl speaking
Trying to get him to stop talking
It was the obvious, I was refering to when marshal said this made me more townie.
Marl was annoying me
Answering min’s question i forgot to answer earlier
Trying to outline the situation. Some people thought this was wolfy, i just thought it was common sense
[quote=“Atlas, post:6850, topic:87956, full:true”]
Why before vulgard was wolfy and now hes fine: the novel
He was, infact, not town
Impossible.
Derps is town, strongly leaning that way.
Arctic/Wazza comfortably town as well.Mistyx town.
He called both of the dead wolves town day one, which makes me feel suspicious about him beforehand
You’re really trying hard to give people excuses to not play the game they signed up for, aren’t you?
ATE
Don’t like a couple of things about CRich.
- His wolfreads are: Derps (for “not doing much”), Wazza (just “does not townread him”), PKR? (“null because not towntelling”), Lol (not explaining his reads), BlueLance (the same reason I just gave, except he’s giving it later and I walked back on it). I think these scumreads are really bad.
- Asks if Hippo derpcleared himself with the post about the number of town and wolves. This is really random and doesn’t fit his progression at all. It makes me think these two are partners and CRich is trying to give Hippo townpoints. That’s why the post is so out of place. One thing that adds credibility to this is the fact Chloe hadn’t talked about Hippo at all in her 100+ posts, which is the basic wolf partner MO.
- Townreads most of his accusers kinda “by default” without looking into it much deeper (“Marl is tunnely as a villager,” “min doesn’t have the confidence as a wolf”), but also townreads Appel for defending his slot. It’s kinda like he’s trying to placate as many people as possible from the get go.
- His most developed thoughts are a 10-post-long debate on what Mistyx’s alignment could be, where he calls Mistyx every possible alignment and wraps back around to something that looks like no conclusion at all. It’s word salad.
/vote CRichard @Aelin
I really like this, even if Richard flipped town. Richard was 100% cringe, and should’ve died, even if town
Honestly, the fact CRich has developed reads at all is a decent look, even though the way he’s talking about Mistyx is still weird. The main point I don’t like isn’t even the Mistyx read, but the fact he found a way to townread both his accusers and his defenders, plus his scumreads are all for reasons that don’t make people wolves.
Accuses him and then instantly defends him
Can you at least leave a legacy if you’re town? Pretty sure these messages are just making people more inclined to vote you and if you’re town that’s bad for town.
Valid point against cringe-richard
I was supposed to read Eli, I’ll do that now.
Was after marl was outted wolf. Doesn’t bother explaining why he thought he was town
Arctic:i didn’t know how i didn’t notice it before but like
this entire post is fakehow does chloe seem like she’s cautious
why do you think she’d be more confident as mafia
i don’t understand any of this Arctic:stop it i’m not dying n1 again
Villagery.
Arctic’s Wazza push is villagery, I think wolf!Arctic would pick an easier target to go after.
Arctic:lol and PKR are incredibly underwhelming
and the worrying part is i’m pretty sure PKR is just lurking
he has only given any reads after being prompted
@lol @PokemonKidRyan wake up
Arctic w/w with lol and PKR confirmed.
Arctic’s posting fairly consistently has no agenda and his pursuit of his reads looks genuine. Comfortable with this being town. I don’t actually have anything more to say, I think he’s been playing an acceptable villager game and there wasn’t a moment in his ISO where I was like “he has a wolf mindset.”
I don’t know if Arctic’s randed wolf since I played with wolf!him, but when we were wolves in Countries he struggled with formulating fake reads early in the game. This is not as important as you may think I believe, but it’s another factor.
Arctic was doctor, but it does make sense that a PR would play in the same nervousness that a wolf would feel, especially if you weren’t outted (like mist outted d1)
shenanigans
Vulgard:Eli / PKR / Marshal / lol / Hippo / Atlas
My take on this.
I could see Amislot being a wolf as well. Think Eli/Hippo/Atlas are the three towniest players in that group.
Do you still believe this? Derps was not included because he “claimed neighborizer”, which is fine
Missed opportunity to say “that’s how mafia works.”
You’re cringe and not based.
if your gonna be not relevant at all, at least be funny
Marshal:So no, i’m not going to accept being wolfread off of me not changing my marl v read off of a crich village flip. Because it was very clear it was never changing off of a crich village flip.
And that’s the problem.
Marshal:the last sentance disproves that entire thing. He is straight up v no matter what. lock lock lock clear if and only if crich is wolf. Crich was not wolf. therefore straight up v.
And that’s the problem.
Marshal:Will anyone listen to me if I do this? Explain in even greater detail and compile my points as to why I object so strongly to vulgard’s framing of this.
You do realize that I have actively tanked my thread position from a relatively good if still PoE one to one where everyone hates me for this right
I didn’t have to do this
it’s frustating to even have to but I ambecause at this point I care very deeply about proving why he is full of it. I do not care if it takes 500 posts and literally all of my towncred to accomplish this
Performative.
Marshal:I doubt it will be read because you guys all barely play forum mafia anyways
vulgard is at least playing the game but if the masses are just going to go ‘yeah wel ur kinda wolfy lolz’ it’s frustrating
If you’re not going to match my effort at least read my responses. I’m genuinely sick of such a low standard of play.
I’m going to continue compiling why vulgard’s handling of my posts is in bad faith. Read it or not, i’ve stopped caring, but you cannot say I did not try
Performative.
Marshal:^ and im sorry if this comes off as toxic, not my intention but I do at least want to know people are reading the posts I put effort in to
Performative.
See? I can do this “I’m ignoring this” shtick you’re doing, too.
I like this, especially because of how marshal was acting
You’re not going to believe the explanation I have for this, but I re-read the posts I took issue with and noticed a… problem with my argument.
accepts responsibility
Past this is when i started v reading him
Atlas has been dropping off the face of the planet like Eli and it’s not making solving this game any easier.
I’ve also had vague thoughts on Arctic powerwolfing. That would be a massive difference compared to his last wolfgame, though.
valid
SirDerpsAlot:Your argument for why my eod is bad is bad
Why do I so often get scumread for showing up at the wrong time
In your case, you not showing up until Blizer was on the block makes you look very W/W with him if he’s mafia.
Bliz was good, but like the push on derps
The extent of Eli’s analysis D2:
“lol wolf”
“PKR wolf”
Reasoning:
“PKR asked to be wagoned and that’s wolfy”
No reasoning given for lol wolf. Promises to case lol but never delivers on it.
Noting that his treatment of me vs Marshal does not come across as if he cares at all.
The extent of Eli’s analysis D3:
“lol and PKR wolves, lol moreso than PKR.”
Reasoning:
“bad tone”
“no good pushes”
“makes no sense”
This is for lol. No real reason given for PKR.
eli was hella lazy then
Lol has almost 500 posts and many of them contain scumreads on villagers.
Lol was acting super super wolfy
Arctic:how can i view this like you’re trying to solve the game when you conveniently come in with 180’ed reads seemingly used to match the threadstate and push agenda
Have you read the towngame I linked? It was a game where I defended like 3 wolves, flipped my read on a villager like 4 times, and was town.
thats just called being bad
Vulgard:To Blizer’s credit, he does enter day 4 with different considerations. That said, his point of view day 3 still looks disjointed. There’s also the point I brought up earlier about him entering the thread promising a wolf pelt. Then he doesn’t deliver; he doesn’t even vote anyone until he’s a wagon forced to vote someone to survive. His read flip on lol at EoD looks less like Blizer being convinced lol’s a wolf and more like self-pres.
A possible explanation:
Blizer was only going to present this “I will give you a pelt” attitude until people would townread his slot. As soon as people would townread him for investment and entering the thread with ‘fire,’ he’d drop the shtick. You could argue “Vul, why are you building a narrative?” to which I say “it’s natural to do this as a wolf.” You’re replacing into a doomed slot. The best way to show you are a ‘villager’ is to post reads and look like you will try to solve the game. Which is what Blizer did, to his credit.
Why is Blizer not a villager? His POV doesn’t make sense to me on many occasions, and I’ve tried to understand it.
The biggest problem is him entering the thread with a “I will find wolves” mindset, yet not pushing any. I struggle to believe his claims that town is being misled and will lose the game when he’s not pushing wolves.
He claims he is trying to break the status quo because town needs to do it, but his only vote is what looks like self-pres.
He names Eli/Marshal/lol as his team, but does not push Eli because Marshal is shielding him. That part is something I also don’t understand whatsoever. Blizer explained it today by claiming he’d been doubting himself, but that’s inconsistent. His initial attitude was a confident one. He kept talking about bringing wolf pelts to the town. He sounded sure of himself when he ranted about town ‘needing luck to win this game because town is wrong.’
It’s all strange.
Could Blizer be a villager who’s confident and not confident at the same time? …I suppose? But it’s strange. He doesn’t have anything to lose if he’s a PoE villager who needs to break the status quo. There should be nothing stopping him from voting his wolfreads. Confidence be damned, town is headed into a loss and he thinks the PoE is wrong. Why does he not even vote his wolfreads if he has that mindset? Why does he resort to AtE when getting pushed despite his contributions? Why is he banking on AtE to save himself instead of killing a wolf, and why does his only vote look like pure self-pres?
If you can answer all these questions assuming a v!Blizer perspective, I’ll be able to see him being town. At present, I don’t see it.
To his credit, re-reading blizer made him sound decently wolfy
Blizer:not as an insult to marshal, but if she is town here, this is one of the worst town games ive personally seen from her tbh
Hold up. This post implies Marshal could be town, despite you saying this:
Blizer:Also, yes, i am willing to stake the game on Marshal being wolf
I also assume you’re claiming villager.
How does it make sense for you to insult Marshal for having a bad towngame if you’re staking the game on her being mafia? If Marshal’s a villager, you agreed to getting chained next, and if you’re V, game’s over. If you think Marshal has a chance of flipping town (and your post there proves you have that thought)… you should never agree to this.
This is weird, and I’m glad vul called bliz out on this
Arctic:oh right, did you neo check the doctor?
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That’s it, just .
Arctic:this post is mega villagery and reminds me of the way i try to catch people out on discretions of their posting
Pretty sure it’s not out of my wolfrange. I see why you think that, though.
Doesn’t instantly jump to the front of being v in Arctic’s eyes, instead questions him for that train of thought
Vulgard:Do Eli and Atlas really deserve the “not great content but content nonetheless” pass at this stage of the game or not really?
Because if yes then Arete/Blizer/Derps is the exact team and we should just chain them.
Literally the only question I’ll be asking at this point.
This is not a good pass, and bliz was town, while derps was mafia
So if you were to ask me, the most optimal yeet order looks like Derps → Atlas → Blizer → Arete.
Both Atlas and Derps are only in one world that is never real. Same with Blizer, for that matter.
If Derps and Atlas are both misses, then the team is exactly Arete/Eli/Blizer and we lose the game. It’s an unlikely world, because Arete’s been butting heads with Blizer this entire day, and because Eli busvoted on lol on day 3 when he didn’t have a real reason to do so. Especially since the PKR alternative, the only V wagon in a Blizer/Eli/Arete world, was right there, waiting for him. Not to mention, the fact Blizer could’ve just cased Marshal and voted Marshal instead of signal boosting a wagon on his partner. You could argue the desperation point (either Blizer flips, or lol flips, and it looks good for the other), but the fact lol didn’t self-pres on Blizer makes it less likely (since I presume it would’ve been more coordinated were it to actually happen, and them voting each other looks better and makes the plan more likely to work). You could still argue this world being real, I just find it unlikely enough for the odds to be good enough.
If Atlas and Blizer are misses, it’s Arete/Derps/Eli. That world is super unlikely, because it implies both of lol’s partners decided to bus them at EoD3 for no reason. They had two village alternatives at the time - Blizer and PKR - making it even more unlikely. I read Blizer’s argument about Eli not being there at EoD, but if Eli wasn’t there at EoD, that supports my argument. Eli isn’t the type of player to random busvote a partner and then dip before EoD unless it’s the wolves’ strategy to bus said partner. Derps is a busser, but I see no reason for them to coordinate a bus there, when Blizer/PKR are both easy V options and they won’t catch heat for either.
If Derps and Blizer are misses, it’s Arete/Atlas/Eli. However, I find this unlikely as well. In that world, Eli busses lol alone for no reason at EoD3 when his thread position is already good regardless, and Atlas does nothing. Lolslot did townread both Eli and Atlas a fair bit, and Arete townreads them too, but still. This is also a world where Arete hard wolfsides for the entirety of today, pushing exclusively villagers and at no point wolfreading their actual teammates. This endangers their team if they flip, and they would know this unless they think they can powerwolf alone (they sure as hell are not powerwolfing through this with Eli and Atlas as their teammates, I’m sorry). This is the option I have the fewest counterarguments for.
If we plow through Derps/Atlas/Blizer and only one of them is V, Arete is still a better yeet than Eli. This is disregarding me thinking they are mafia here.
Derps/Atlas W: if Eli is the third, it’s a team that’s been useless the whole game. You can think it’s still possible and we’ve all been idiots, but it’s been a long time since I saw an entire wolfteam actively doing nothing, and I find it implausible for that reason.
Derps/Blizer W: if Eli is the third, Ami (Blizer slot’s predecessor) decided to cast a bussing vote as their only contribution to the game, at a rare time when Eli still had some chance of going over. It’s also a world where Eli hasn’t tried to help Blizer at all while he was strugging to survive. You can think it’s still possible and Eli’s been trying to cruise to endgame, but I doubt it to some extent.
Atlas/Blizer W: if Eli is the third, Ami (Blizer slot’s predecessor) decided to cast a bussing vote as their only contribution to the game, at a rare time when Eli still had some chance of going over. It’s also a world where Eli hasn’t tried to help Blizer at all while he was strugging to survive. You can think it’s still possible and Eli’s been trying to cruise to endgame, but I doubt it to some extent.
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Derps/Atlas W: if Arete is the third, Arete bussed. However, Arete’s spending much more time pushing me and Blizer than pushing Derps, Derps is a shrugyeet for them. This is partner indicative, especially so if Derps and Atlas both flip W, since Arete engaged with Atlas and has been trying to defend them today.
Derps/Blizer W: if Arete is the third, Arete both bussed and hard distanced with Blizer today. However, Arete’s spending much more time pushing me and Blizer than pushing Derps, Derps is a shrugyeet for them. This has partner potential.
Atlas/Blizer W: if Arete is the third, Arete tried to distance with one partner while defending the other, and push both Vul and Derps as the designated misyeets to win the game. Seems like a legitimate wolf plan to me.
Ultimately, though, the decision between Arete/Eli is strongly colored by my individual wolfread on Arete and you should decide between them yourselves once we get to that point.
Pretty decent
We only always lose to Arete/Eli W/W specifically, if you follow this plan. If you’re afraid of that, you can swap Arete with Atlas. Then we lose to Blizer/Eli/Atlas if Arete/Derps are both V. And if Arete/Derps has one wolf, but Blizer is V, we lose to Eli/Atlas.
This plan relies on Eli being town to work, come to think of it. And I think Eli being town is likely because I don’t see the point in them bussing, unless you think Eli just wanted to distance with lol and what happened next was a sheer accident.
Trying to figure out a plan to move forward, very v
Arete:(also ftr I feel like ‘this is just because I play differently now’ is a questionable argument when I directly compared it to a recent village game that you specifically gave us as recent-villagegard-meta)
My read on DaisyCloud in that game is a perfect example of what’s happening to many of my reads in this game. Track my DaisyCloud progression in that game and it looks like I’m townreading her when she yells at me, while scumreading her when she stops yelling at me. You could make the argument I’m doing that to her because I’m a wolf and I’m prodding at her when I can get away with it. But I was a villager.
No clue what this website is, but using other game’s plays to figure out w’s and v’s
I will insist upon yeeting Derps until the end of today. Almost every world with Derps makes sense and he’s done the least, both this phase and last phase, compared to even Atlas and Eli. This lack of investment makes him difficult to sort out, and leaving him until tomorrow, when we might have MyLo, is a terrible idea. Having an unsortable slot that fits most wolf worlds makes the next day so, so much harder, because you constantly have to wonder if not voting Derps means you’re losing to a lowposting wolf or not.
Derps was evil, and unless vul was bussing (something derps would not like, based on his previous games (has a record of bussing other wolves for no reason)) (im not an alt i found this from another post) Vul was probably good
i was rereading thread, thought test was dumb, saw wazza write it was dumb, reply to him saying i agree, and continue reading. how does that make me “not believe what I say”
It looks like you’re just shading me cuz i questioned your and lights RT lol. Because all your reasons are bad.
ofc i cant prove its fake i never said i could. “you cant prove im bad 100% therefore u are”. but me commenting it was weird and then leaving does not show i didnt believe it lol.
and i didnt even say it was preplanned between the 2 of u, just that the interaction was weird and there may be scum in it.
you have no reason to believe i didnt believe what i said.
Old game, but this is the last Hippo wolfgame I remember. The posts quoted comprise the biggest push he made all game. The push is mostly OMGUS from the looks of it.
Compare this to these.
Hippolytus: PokemonKidRyan:10
9
8 - Marl, Chloe
7 - Wazza, min, Hippo, lol
6 - Appel, Cloned, Arctic, Mist, Marshal
5 - BlueLance, Yellow
4 - Atlas, SDA
3 - Eli
2
11 - Lock Scum
10 - Lock Townthis was you at end of D1 with me at top end of your reads (when I was defending you from Eli)
PokemonKidRyan:I personally could see the team being any 4 of Eli, Atlas, SDA, BlueLance or Yellow at this point of time. (If I had to shoot for all scum right off the bat)
not even in ur team towards end of D1
PokemonKidRyan:I think Hippo’s the only person who’s kinda pushing me who might be doing it in bad faith? But because they’re a less serious person (or used to be) they’re able to get away with it.
then D2 after I started saying you have made such little sense you are probably mafia you come up with this read. and since then you have been saying im mafia but you dont give any other reasons, just stuff like this:
PokemonKidRyan:lol, your comment on Hip was something I actually like I do think Hip is mafia after all. However, I will say that Marl is still a logical choice for now.
You gave one post where you actually gave decent reasons where I might be mafia:
Hippolytus:Looking through I’m like super confident PKR wolf too.
Hippolytus:the AtE stuff he opened with wasn’t AI tbh, but the fact all he’s posted since is non-stop vague rhetoric is so ridiculous to the point where I think he is just hardcore out memeing me.
Hippolytus:it seemed like PKR was literally just memeing us
Hippolytus:I still think he’s bad tho and he needs to did asap anyway
PokemonKidRyan: Hippolytus:I just read him in NUF FM cuz I remembered he was mafia and I was town there and he is pretty different content wise. He talks a ton about mechanics but shows effort into substantiating fake reads. Here he’s legit not even trying.
I don’t think that’s a good enough reason to not hang tho. He is faking his reads here even if hes town. Its hard to justify not policy yeeting.
[/quote]I feel like these posts kinda erked me.
Especially the final bit of the final post.
Hippo’s trying to find an excuse to escape blame once I flip town.You saying my last post could be looking like im a wolf trying to save face on you flipping village by saying “lol policy” is a decent argument to susp me as wolf. HOWEVER that was post 3473 and you first voiced your suspicoun against me at post 2663 way earlier so that clearly was not the post that made you think im mafia. Literally you only have been saying im mafia since I stopped defending you and all your reasons have been “lol agenda”. gtfo.
Hippolytus:Your townread of me and your scumread of me match up with exactly when I stop defending you and you have given no reasons other than “lol agenda” even though it makes no sense for me to suddenly want you hung from me defending you at start of D1.
If I was mafia wanted to hang you as town, being an easy low hanging fruit towny, why would I even defend you when you were doing that dumb ATE stuff at the start of the game. That would have been the perfect way to start put suspcioun on you. Instead I said you always do that and only sussed you when you started doing nothing.
If I’m mafia bussing my mafia pal PKR, I am not going to get much credit for a PKR flip cuz I started pushing him fairly late (after Arctic) and was originally soft-defending him.
Hippolytus:If you are town I don’t see how you don’t have the self-awareness to realize your posting was bad D1 and D2 and to understand it is not weird for me to start pushing you as a result of said posts.
Hippolytus: PokemonKidRyan:Re-evaluation is a bitch, ain’t it?
It’s not that you once you thought I was town and now think I’m mafia, normal re-evaluation is not weird. It’s the fact that your change of heart lines up with exactly me throwing pressure on you, and I think that reaction is more likely to come from mafia (who previously thought they had me on their side) than town.
Hippolytus:yeah but he has never said why, the only quote he quoted which could even be perceived as bad faith as i was hedging on his alignment came 1000 posts later
Hippolytus:Just look at my progression on PKR vs his on mine and it’s p obvious who is more likely to be mafia
The bolded also strongly indicates a lack of TMI to me.
Seems really dedicated to the game, which was good at this point
Vulgard:About an hour until EoD. I want everyone to be voting Derps. If anyone else flips today and doesn’t flip mafia we’re in a worse spot on day 5.
Leader
Vulgard:If Eli’s mafia, Marl has only pushed wolves the entire game, unless Atlas/Blizer are both mafia. Wolves + 1 villager in Chloeslot, from which he backed off.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it’s improbable.
Sounds like him
Vulgard:Atlas ISO
Atlas:Well your correct
I think Atlas is Derps’s puppet account.
Atlas:Allan’s been talking a ton yesterday so I think their good
I don’t see takes like these as clearing. Given their experience level claimed here:
Atlas:I play a lot of text based social deduction games, so I know a small bit
Atlas later says they’ve been playing Untrusted for 4 months. The players who talk more in games like these are often just town, >>>rand. Therefore, writing a take like this in this game isn’t necessarily a town mindset. Rather, it’s a learned mindset and Atlas could’ve done it as either alignment.
Atlas:/unvote
/vote Chloe
Atlas:Marl has talked more
I don’t want to be that guy, but you know how it looks right now. No, I don’t think Atlas is mafia based on this alone.
Atlas:Marshal, making me do this
Lol, hasn’t been posting
Hippo, aggressive in a way that hits me wrong
Atlas:Well the fact that he’s random pushing but he says he already knows the mafia
Atlas:If you want I can give 3 I think are town
Atlas:Marshal (seriously this time) pushing me cause I haven’t contributed anything useful to the convo
Eli, aggressive in the first half in a good way
Appel, is almost putting good points in every conversation
Atlas:Also for Marshal I really like 491
Atlas:Well about the post as a whole you seem to be reading everything everyone has to say
For specific posts I like the ones about eli and arctic
Atlas:The fact that you don’t immediately jump to conclusions even though your pretty sure they are good
I like this string of posts a fair bit. The thinking isn’t too advanced, but the points brought up sound like Atlas believes in them.
Atlas:/vote lol
Atlas:Hasn’t been contributing much
My problem is Atlas’s pursuit of scumreads; there isn’t one. There are some votes cast, but no real pushes. And while it’s unlikely for new players to spearhead a push, even if they scumread the person, it’s still something that struck me as noteworthy.
Atlas:Lol has pretty much been silent this entire time so I bet them
This is also a belief one is likely to hold if they’ve played stuff like Secret Hitler and ToS before. Not alignment indicative with that in mind.
Atlas:Sheesh I know I sound stupid but I’m at least trying to think of important things to say
Looks like a genuine thought.
Atlas:Who I think are town
Me (Atlas)
Eli
Mist
Marshal
Appel
Arctic
and yes marshal i will explain one secondThat is a pretty damn pure towncore. Now I’m wondering how likely it is for a somewhat new wolf to make their towncore pure.
Unless you think Eli’s mafia, but.
Atlas:Eli was decently townie D1 and was aggressive in a way I thought he was town
Mist is confirmed vigi
Marshal seems to be very aware
Appel talks a ton, and was acting very townie d1
Arctic seems to have decent readsThe bolded take is weird, because it looks like TMI. That said, this would be a very odd manifestation of TMI, to the point of being unbelievable. Therefore I choose to believe this isn’t TMI.
Atlas:/vote lol
Atlas:Min were you neighborized?
Atlas:Ah ok
Atlas:marlux hate to be the bearer of bad news but min is claiming that they tracked you to the dead guy
Atlas:/unvote
/vote marl
Atlas:he is literally evil
Atlas:Get whatever you can outta marlux and then we can vote him
Atlas:I should probably do another listly thing huh
Atlas:People I’m 95% sure are town
Me, Eli, Appel, min, Mist.Eli was aggressive in a decent way d1, and is handling d2 very very well. Appel tried to dissolve the Thunderdome between Chloe and marl because marl had a bad reason to start it. Min is confirmed Tracker and Mist is confirmed vigi.
People I’m 80% are town
Marshal, even if constantly pushing me, has decent reads and handled the marl situation well
People I’m 60% sure are town
Lol, was working with the confirmed tracker before we even knew they were tracker
Not sure
everyone elseThe progression on lol looks like a genuine thought process to me. I find it very, very unlikely that a wolf at Atlas’s experience level would push lol for 2 days, then notice min’s tracker claim, and switch the read on lol because lol had worked with the tracker before they claimed. Now, I’m not saying the read switch is correct – in fact, it’s likely wrong – but the thought Atlas presents here is something I struggle to envision coming from a wolf. You could assume stuff like W/W with lol and trying to clear lol with an excuse, but the ‘excuse’ is creative and unorthodox enough I’m willing to still call it towny. Also, Atlas continues to have a rather pure towncore. While Eli can be mafia in theory, Atlas also insists on townreading them a fair bit, to the point it comes from genuine belief in my book.
Atlas:The only thing I could think of if hes not suggesting alignment is that the neopolitation checked me
This is a silly read but I find it a little unlikely Atlas would have this thought at all as a wolf.
Atlas:Heres what wolves will do
N2 they rollblock the tracker, and kill someone, as the doc heals either them or mist
If the wolfs hit someone who was healed great for us, we got an extra person alive
if they don’t its meh
N3 they will 100% stab the trackerHot take: I think this is towny. Wolves don’t openly talk about optimal wolf nightplans. Especially not wolves with Atlas’s experience level. Atlas is more likely to have said this because they thought it was helpful.
Atlas:all this extra time is doing is making us all hate eachother
Genuine thought, again, in my book. Alignment indicative? You could argue “no,” but for this case I argue “yes.”
Atlas:ami hasn’t hit the 15 post mark for two days now
Atlas:and all they did talk about was drugs and going to see a therapist
Atlas:this ain’t even a read its just voting eli for the sake of it
Good observations about Amislot. Somewhat basic, but alright. The slot wasn’t under much scrutiny at the time, iirc, because of BlueLance’s VT claim.
Atlas:I’ve not seen anyone react like this except richard, who was being stupid. Its like your trying to defend yourself because even the tiniest threat makes you feel off
Atlas:you are overreacting
Atlas:In all seriousness though, your going extremely defensive for little to no reason
Atlas:Your desperate to confirm yourself and stay confirmed IMO
Atlas:I understand wanting to be confirmed but your pushing it
Atlas:Your getting physically worked up over a game, which is mysterious. Either your taking this super seriously, or your emotional because wolf
Atlas:As a villager your one of 13, and wolves 4/17, which means each and every member counts. A wolf is dead, which makes it 3/12 of us.
Wolves would want to survive a lot more than a villager would
Atlas:Oh well, basically a wolf would want to stay alive much more than a villager would to shift the sides in their favor
I was going to point out the lack of interest in PKR throughout d3 on Atlas’s side. I thought it was a bad look, because Atlas lacked the analytical mindset for a while in these posts. But then he zeroes in on Marshal. I like the confidence and the fact Atlas tries to support their claims. Again, the read is wrong, but the mindset is towny to me.
Atlas:Also what would stop my interactions with marshal from being both wolves? I could always be bussing them
I don’t like this, much like everyone else, but I can see the town mindset here being “paranoia and suspicion.”
Atlas:If you want to go out that badly fine
/vote Blizer
Hahahaha.
Atlas:You just exposed a potential doc for no reason
Still think it’s a towny approach to Marshal despite it being wrong.
Conclusion: if Atlas is a wolf, they’ve played well for someone at their experience level, because I don’t see anything that looks like agenda, nor do I see many aspects that fall into “known wolftells” category. Based on what I remember from the other three PoE players, thinking Atlas might just be town here.
thank you, very cool
also while im here i take back eli being town Vulgard:Derps ISO
Derps ISO doesn’t have anything I haven’t said before. Low on content. Has a push on Marshal but the push never comes to fruition. No other real pushes in a gamestate where the village is on the ropes.
SirDerpsAlot:Shoot me no balls
Also, he does this day 1, which looks like wolf WIFOM - rather than town who genuinely doesn’t want to be in the game. His day 1 is by far his “best” day for the mere reason he’s giving takes. I doubt he’d want to get shot that night as town, since his investment is still decent then. “But why would he want to get shot as mafia?” Wifom. It’s Derps.
SirDerpsAlot:Content is pretty underwhelming should get them out tbqh
Oh yeah, there was a PKR push.
SirDerpsAlot:Also fwiw I haven’t read all of PKRs post but the ones Iv read actually make me lean town
He’s usually more abrasive with his AtE than the posts Iv seen now as a wolf (at least that’s what I remember)
…Huh?
SirDerpsAlot:/vote pkr @ astand
Content is pretty underwhelming should get them out tbqh
SirDerpsAlot:Also fwiw I haven’t read all of PKRs post but the ones Iv read actually make me lean town
He’s usually more abrasive with his AtE than the posts Iv seen now as a wolf (at least that’s what I remember)
…“PKR’s content is underwhelming, he’s mafia.” “I haven’t read PKR’s content.” “The content I did read makes him town to me.”
Look at these thoughts in succession.
Derps made a fake read and forgot about it. That’s the simplest and most logical explanation. This is an utterly baffling thought process to come from a villager. The first post implies familiarity with PKR’s content, the second implies a lack of familiarity, implying the first read was a lie. And it doesn’t look like a reaction test, either. Him forgetting about the first post is 100% possible considering the posts are 17 hours apart.
SirDerpsAlot:Also marshal is so obviously pushing agenda it’s not even funny
He’s done nothing to convince anyone of this in his entire ISO. He’s just been saying Marshal is wolfy for a few reasons, but never actually strived to make the wagon happen.
He should be trying to do that especially hard right now, considering Marshal is towncored. If he’s against that, he should fight it. He’s not fighting it.
Conclusion is mostly the same. Found one more thing that damns Derps, that being his progression on PKR.
Second ISO that day, impressive, shows dedication
Vulgard:BlueLance ISO
BlueLance:So, I hit a bit of a snag, I play so differently to you all XD I need to somehow make 15 posts that are on topic, but I dont Scum any of you, I work more mechanically, so till someone dies your all pretty much neutral to me and will stay that way. Even if one person gets aggressive or defensive, or just goes meh when the fingers are pointed at them, none of that on Day 1 actually makes me feel any alignment one way or another.
As for me though, I am VT all the way! I have a vote, and can type. No clue if flavor text actually means anything so no point posting it XD
I’ve called this both towny and scummy, now I don’t think it’s alignment indicative. It’s not like mafia can’t claim VT.
BlueLance:lol and Hippoyeetus are prob the only people im more towards mafia. Everyone else who has voted is mostly town imo, those who havnt, town.
Also different play styles I guess, maybe just means im not cut out for mafia on forums XD
This post feels like player salad. The nonchalant tone feels off. Normally, you’d attribute nonchalance to villagers, but there’s something odd about the way he’s loud about not giving a damn. It’s like he wants people to townread him for it.
Ami ISO
Now Ami, who outposted BlueLance by… one post, before getting replaced out.
Ami:snorts cocaine
sup bitches
i’m off my meds and finna get all the pelts Ami:yes sir
/vote Ami Ami:sorry
/vote Ami Ami:mood has swung hard up so expect a AK hard carry of town
Ami:/vote Eli
boom bye scum
Ami:vote eli for ez towncred
Ami:anyways
eli wolf Ami:eli flips wolf 10/10 times or your money back
Ami:enough to know Eli=W
I do not townread this. Do I scumread this? Well, I see no real scumhunting mindset. Starting with a selfvote must’ve been done with the intention to be funny, which is >rand W in this context (I’mma get townreads for selfvoting haha funni), and following it up with declaring a random player a wolf comes across as performative. “Yes, I am totally scumhunting, look at me.”
I’d townread it if Ami straight up didn’t do anything. It would be better than this.
Blizer hours coming up.
Third ISO
Vulgard:Derps is also mafia and I’m fine with voting Derps, but these two are his partners.
Very confident, believes in his claim, even if it was false (derps/arete/blizer), derps was wolf, bliz wasn’t
Vulgard:And no. I’m not doing this out of ego, selfishness, tunneling, confbias, nothing of the sort. I tried my best to enter ISOs with an open mind. I gave Blizer the benefit of the doubt at various points. But he is mafia, mafia, mafia, and he also spews both his partners, as I outline in detail in my case.
I am a villager. I recognize that I have played poorly until now, and I’m sorry for asking the town vig to shoot the town neighborizer (good meme, though). I’m sorry for the PKR misyeet, sorry for not making my progression obvious and not making myself easy to find. I’ve been flip-floppy, my original reads weren’t good, I possibly made a villager replace out, I made Marshal resort to AtE, and more. But I’ve been town, Vanilla Town, with a rolecard as green as the grass my father mowed down one hour ago, and while I’ve been wrong, I am 100% confident I’m right here.
There is too much supporting evidence, and it all fits together perfectly even when you discard my bias. Even with the most charitable of interpretations of Blizer’s behavior, there is no discernible way a villager even with the worst reads can consistently give suspected wolves outs while shoving villager after villager into groups of targets to push. It simply doesn’t happen, it’s deliberate, it makes Blizer mafia, and it makes Derps and Arete his exact partners. Eli is hardspewed town from Blizer, since Blizer tried to make the thread wolfread Eli and shoved him into the PoE like 5 times, and Blizer only being interested in Atlas once he needs Atlas as a yeet option makes Atlas likely town as well. He had been afraid to challenge the status quo (Atlas town) before, but once he needed to challenge it, he attempted to.
I tried my absolute best to make my case look as little like “dude trust me” as I could. I have used Blizer’s posts and actions, only Blizer’s posts and actions, and the only “preflips” I have made were considerations of people we universally agree to be villagers, plus that of my own slot.
Please, listen. And even if you do vote me out, if you absolutely need to see my flip to be convinced, then vote me. But please, please listen to me after that. Don’t let the wolves win, even if they push against me as hard as they can and post a thousand times.
Extremely dedicated
Vulgard: SirDerpsAlot:Marshal is so obv spewing agenda it’s legit not even funny Vul
How about you prove it?
lol, shut him down
Vulgard:Okay, uh.
Obviously I was wrong on Blizer. Do I have anything to say about that? …Not really? Sorry?
1+ villagers in Arete/Atlas/Eli.
Kinda obvious, there is at least one town in any group of three
Vulgard:Oh yeah, and the quickhammer was a bad idea, but I partly blame myself for it happening. I should’ve made it clear I didn’t endorse it.
You did
Vulgard:I kinda want to quickhammer just to let Arete know how I felt about d2 of the autumn invitational.
Vulgard:If I want to vote with my heart, then I would actually go Atlas at this point, because I feel like there are things going for Eli and the only reason we are clearing Atlas is that their ISO is mildly villagery, because he’s actually been giving reads and stuff - which is honestly a really low bar. Eli has been giving reads as well, and at this point I’m not sure if I want to give Atlas a pass for playing like this - as in, giving reads, because that’s not that much.
Another good thing about voting Atlas is that not a single flipped wolf has talked about Atlas. Nobody has been interested in discussing Atlas, and Atlas hasn’t been interested in discussing anyone recently, which feels like Atlas is trying to slip by - and also gives Atlas a lot of wolf equity with every single player left alive.
Hippo is still town, and if he’s mafia, then he is playing wildly out of meta - and at this point I am giving him the win.
Valid
Vulgard:Really, a consistent problem in Atlas’s entire gameplay in this game is that they have never taken the initiative. They have just been answering questions instead of doing much themselves.
Also valid
Vulgard: EliThePsycho:i wolfread lol (or well, wolfred)
but arete’s case was very convincing
what more is there to say?Maybe you should take a stance? Decide which one of us is mafia? We are in final six with two wolves alive. You have to take the initiative if you’re town.
I’m not forcing you to scumread one of us, but you haven’t posted a single analytical thing about this situation.
I agree, eli has been acting like this for a good while
Vulgard:OK, who is my partner and why? I’m assuming you townread Arete, Marshal and Hippo, so… my partner’s Atlas, then? The person I’m pushing right now?
Exactly what eli is claiming now
Vulgard:Also, you think I’m mafia and you just let me push Blizer for two days without saying a word about it? Do you think I am the hardest busser on Forum of Lies?
Vulgard:Why have you not done this unprompted? If you really do think I’m mafia, you need to find my partner. Do you think other players will carry you to victory?
Good pushes on eli
Happy now, Arete?
Explaining why I changed my thoughts on him
Part 1 of 2
Splitting it into parts because my iso was huge
Atlas
this is a slot that I kind of shelved for most of the game because ‘oh he’s a newbie, he’s made some reads and seems reasonably pure,’ where by ‘most of the game’ I mean ‘day 4, because I literally didn’t get to play day 5 and by day 6 he was back in my PoE’. I do think his posts are better than I would expect from newbie scum, but I don’t know if that’s enough.
I appreciate that he is actually making an attempt to do things in this LyLo. There’s a part of me that’s tempted to just vote Eli for that alone but I don’t actually think that’s reasonable/AI.
There have been a couple points in this LyLo where he’s felt “uninformed,” like when he didn’t seem to realize that I’m mechconfirmed town. Ehhh. Not sure how big a point that is, I don’t know if scumchat would have spelled that out deliberately until it happened.
When I look at the associatives I’ve done so far he feels the “most compatible.” I don’t know, maybe I just need to look harder.
Eli
…so I didn’t say this at the time, because I thought it would reinforce the ‘Arete/Eli W/W’ narrative that was floating around (which was potentially gamelosing regardless of my alignment), but coming into today Eli was my top townread. But – part of that was because everyone else kept doing wolfy stuff, and Eli wasn’t doing much of anything, and part of that was meta and I’ve been snowed by wolves who dramatically improved their meta. In particular if he’s partnered with Marshal I know Marshal coaches her partners heavily, so. Weh.
I’m just putting in a note here that the thunderdome is really weird because it feels like neither of them is really, truly going in guns blazing. Atlas maybe moreso than Eli, but Eli is sort of just like ‘yeah Atlas is a wolf’ and then dips for hours. Which … you could call that W/W indicative but if it’s W/W they’re not really playing in a way that’s conducive to winning?
Marshal
mrrr
So, I’m just going to put a disclaimer here that normally what I tell myself I should do is ignore whether Marshal feels villagery, and just read her on results. And then I don’t do that, and in postgame when she turns out to have been a wolf I’m like ‘:surprised_pikachu:.’ If I do that here it’s … not great, the only wolf she really pushed much at all before endgame was Derps, regardless of who the hypothetical non-her wolf is.
I haven’t been thrilled with her MyLo/LyLo play, in many ways it’s felt like she was trying to preserve me as a misexecution until she stopped being able to. Her play post thunderdome feels wolfy but I think it would feel wolfy regardless of her alignment because if she’s a villager she knows that Atlas is 100 percent a wolf.
The doctor thing is a thing. I’ve been tinfoiling it as fake a Lot, but it’s … I’m not actually sure if that’s super plausible? Mrr.
I kind of felt like she was trying to get Vul to vote because she expected him to vote wrong. Which would probably put her with Atlas except that she said she was expecting him to vote Eli?
Vulgard
I am super conflicted on this slot. I think … all the points I raised against him when I first cased him make sense and are valid. I also think his play the last couple of days doesn’t really make sense if he’s a wolf? like he didn’t have to reevaluate me into a villageread, there was enough anti-Arete sentiment that he could probably just force me to be the gamewinning misexecution. He’s also had a couple posts today that make me think he’s Just A Villager – but I know that he figured out at some point what sort of things I’m looking for, and he might be taking advantage of that. And one of them is pretty silly, the one about putting a quote into his Syndicate signature. I forget about if he heard about that time when I read Chloe as a villager for more or less that reason.
If he’s a wolf it has to be with Atlas. If that’s the case he’s going all out on trying to win this in F5 with an Eli vote, and I’m not sure that’s how he’d play it as scum? Like I feel like trying to win in F3 is more likely from that position, based on the general sentiment before he voted Eli.
I want to stress that I’m not claiming to have a godread here. A good read, yes, but not a perfect one.
I’m going to see what the dead villagers thought
I will probably then ignore them but at least they won’t be able to say I didn’t look
I love random unannounced forum updates
at least that one was quick
Chloe
eli feels kinda opportunistic ngl
doesn’t particularly feel like eli is being bad faith about it anymore
at first i thought his jump onto the wagon was slightly opportunistic but
i kinda like his attitude
eli somewhat aggressively applying pressure (regardless of why) is villagery of him in particular and it feels like he’s genuine annoyed by the AtE lmfaoso
ye gamingcmon the dude is kinda villagery
when do you ever see eli do this shit
eli kinda town or exactly marshal has told him what he needs to do to break out of his comfort zone as a wolf
easy reads
give me more villagers
yeup
currently at
you [Min] / eli / cheese
in terms of people i townread to some degreei have so many reads
Atlas:In all the other games I’ve played putting pressure on people gets you answers I’d assume elis doing the same thing
I dont really see how this is townie from atlas, marissa
Its just
A post
didn’t say anything substantive about Yellow/Vul
im not saying thats wolfy from you [Marshal] or whatever
i just do not understand
marshal’s push isn’t bad faith ye
marshal’s push is fine - villagery, even
simply town
mist
arctic
marshal
minprobably just town
blue
eli
appeli think hes somewhat likely to be town but whatever i need more from him
cheese (because im admittedly giving too much credit for not-particularly-ai things)wolfy
marl
CRich
I see Eli is here.
Lets chat.
@EliThePsycho don’t be shy.
We have a few hours before EoD. Lets talk.
Well if Eli is a wolf, then that would clear me as Eli is also pushing me too.
Oh wait logic isn’t a thing here.
Suppose Eli flips scum, would you clear me because Eli is pushing me as well?
didn’t say anything about Atlas
Vulgard:He’s talking as if he wants to sound useful without actually solving alignments. The way he reached the conclusion “Mistyx is town” is bizarre because he specifically calls her VT fakeclaiming, and probably not another PR. This looks like the mindset of a PR hunter more than anything else.
You didn’t see me say that I think they’re either town vigilante or town doing PR cover.
Sigh being able to read properly is a skill so many sadly lack these days.
Vulgard:His most developed thoughts are a 10-post-long debate on what Mistyx’s alignment could be, where he calls Mistyx every possible alignment and wraps back around to something that looks like no conclusion at all. It’s word salad.
Oh there’s shade if I didn’t know any better.
I said Mist was most likely town and you conveniently didn’t mention that.
Agenda much?
Lol and Marshal are probably not mafia/mafia as well.
Wazza
I got bored, and as I said earlier, I should probably ISO the two players I was told about.
Here’s Eli’s “half of day 1” ISO analysis from yours truly.
Reminder that posts of Eli’s that aren’t exactly needing to be commented on won’t be posted on, Eli has 38 posts, 13 of which I have placed here:
Eli ISO Analysis (Please actually read, for everyone)
EliThePsycho:/vote EliThePsycho
Eli starts of with a meme vote on themself, this of course doesn’t mean much but I’m mostly including it as I feel like it’s more of a method to get attention onto himself early.
EliThePsycho:/vote PokemonKidRyan @Aelin
This sudden vote strikes me as odd, I can’t help but feel like it’s some sort of theatre play. At first I thought this was a memevote but later on I realised that it wasn’t a memevote but instead a performative vote to try and “show they’re doing something” in the game, at least that’s what it felt to me. He proceeds to call it AtE
EliThePsycho:one word
ate EliThePsycho:because
why is he doing it right off the batand question the mere existence of it. This could’ve been fine but he continued on it.
EliThePsycho:you are very blatantly AtEing, whether you realize it or not
AtEing isn’t a thing if it’s not intentional and if he’s doing it unintenionally and not a way to trick us all, why would you vote him? If it’s not intentional, then it’s not pointing towards whether he is scum or not.
EliThePsycho:PKR because ate is annoying
that’s
literally my entire reasonDo you want to kill him for if he’s scum or just because you don’t like him for what he posted?
EliThePsycho:you imply that i think you are scum
Here’s the answer.
EliThePsycho:oh im’ still voting you?
EliThePsycho:/unvote @Aelin
Terrible post, there’s no way you ‘forget’ you’re voting the player you were literally just pushing on in the same hour, you stated you’d kill off PKR and literally 7 minutes later you’re like ‘oh I’m still voting him, oh gee golly I was unaware!’. That’s completely false and a clear lie. This post feels so fake to me. Also closes off an Eli/PKR team in my eyes from this one post.
EliThePsycho:min = town
this is a common take but i do not care
rereading because brain go brrUnexplained reads, begin explaining them, please and thank you. Also, you re-read quite quickly for a player who didn’t know they were voting another player.
EliThePsycho:you imply that frozen scum is still my meta
EliThePsycho:no i think i broke that meta a while ago
like a botf or smthSelf-Meta’ing yourself is bad, I do it, yes. But I’m a hypocrite anyway.
EliThePsycho:Hmm yes
a scale of 1-10This post (the full post, I’m not quoting it all and making this ISO analysis larger than it needs to be). This post is far too large for a random fluff post, it has so little content yet so much fluff, this feels intentionally done just to annoy people and make Eli seem like he’s doing stuff.
The rest of his posts are complete fluff that unlike his last one, didn’t need to be commented on.
Conclusion:
/vote EliThePsycho @Aelin
My vote will remain here for the timebeing, I’m going to move onto PKR’s ISO shortly, chances are however his ISO will not change my vote due to Eli and PKR’s interactions.
Wazza:ISO a player of your choosing, read it and analyse on the perspective that they are scum, then do it again but do it on the perspective that they are town (or do it the other way around)
This is what I did on Eli, it lead me to believe he’s scum so I posted my “Eli is scum” ISO analysis.
How do I convince you to vote Eli.
(lots of this)
shoot Eli here,
If it makes you [Marshal] feel better, you’re convincing me you’re scum and that you using TMI for Eli
I now have a read that one of Marshal and Eli are definitely scum
I’ve got to leave for the day and chances are I won’t be here for EoD, here’s my pointless post of reads, there’s a lot of Nulls as I’m far too inconfident of my own ability to place people in reading areas:
Marluxion - Townlean - I don’t know, they just seem townie in my eyes.
Chloe → CRichard - Scumlean - Chloe seemed like scum to me, not exactly seen CRichard, hope he can turn that around.
Mistyx - Null - Going to have to read when I’m back.
SDA - Null - Going to have to read when I’m back.
Eli - Scumread - This one is self-explanatory, I am tunnelling Eli and I’m going to acknowledge that. For a further explanation, click here Eli’s ISO Analysis (Halfway through Day 1)
Vulgard - Townlean - I’m pocketed by feeling validated.
Appel - Null - Going to have to read when I’m back.
PKR - Townlean - This one will need explaining, nothing he’s done, it’s purely because of Eli.
Marshal - Null - Unlike the others, this one is a genuine ‘No Clue’ read.
lol - Null - Going to have to read when I’m back.
min - Null - I’m more willing to place them as a scumlean than I am a townlean. I can’t help but feel like they’re playing how they played in the BOTC game we played on discord when they believed they were evil. Of course, however, BOTC is different from FM and also a voice-based game so this is probably completely wrong.
ArcticXI - Townlean - I still want him to shut up though. His push on me feels town motivated.
Hippo - Townlean - Hippo seems very unsure on what they want to do, also memeing a lot (that’s just Hippo though), reminds me of a game that I don’t remember the name off where they were Town.
clonedcheese - Null - Going to have to read when I’m back.
Atlas - Scumlean - Originally I was going to call them Town, but I don’t exactly know them of course. They seem far too on the sidelines and unlike Hippo, I don’t know if it’s a common thing they do.
BlueLance - Townlean - I decided “They have a low post count, might as well check them out”, their refusal to vote reminds me of when I first joined the forums and that’s how I was, and still was for quite some time. I’m willing to place them as a Townlean for the timebeing.All players that are Null, I’m going to re-read if I’m back before EoD in 4 hours and 26 minutes, if not I’m going to read them during the night and hope I don’t die.
lol:atlas because i townread him for high postcount and using postcount reads as newbie player
Everytime I return to the thread, I just notice them posting one line things, giving the most barebones posts ever, sometimes ranging from a single word to possible 3 lines at most that can fit onto one line if put together.
Their high post count is based on spamposting, lol. You shouldn’t townread a player for that.
Vul agreeing with one of my reads makes me feel special.
Vulgard:Counterpoint. I haven’t read him.
Hm? Why are you lying?
Vulgard:I don’t like Eli’s ISO very much, but I also don’t know if I should be giving Marl an easy pass. Him defaulting to AtE rather quickly is something I associate with his scumgame more than his towngame, but I don’t hate his pushes.
Vulgard:Okay, yeah, I forgot that I skimmed it already, and I was like “shrug.”
No, you didn’t. You’ve commented on Eli various times past this post.
I changed my mind I’ve decided that most of the kills aren’t actually super meaningful and that the players killed aren’t normally high accuracy enough for me to just sheep them for being villagers
he didn’t make it through the whole thing but backreading literally the entire game is a lot of work and there are definitely more pro-wolf ways to direct that effort as scum…
Vote Count
Accused Voters Number CRichard564 min, Vulgard, ArcticXI, clonedcheese, SirDerpsAlot, EliThePsycho, Appelsiini, Marshal, lol 9/9 EliThePsycho Wazza, Hippoyeetus, Ami 3/9 SirDerpsAlot Marluxion, CRichard564 2/9 lol Mistyx, Atlas 2/9 Hippoyeetus Appelsiinii 1/9 Ami PokemonKidRyan 1/9 Not voting 0 IF THERE ARE ANY ERRORS WITH THIS VOTECOUNT, YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES TO TELL ME.
Vote Count
Accused Voters Number Marluxion min, EliThePsycho, Vulgard, Hippoyeetus, Atlas, Marluxion, Marshal, Mistyx 8/8 Ami Nightingale 1/8 Marshal ArcticXI 1/8 PokemonKidRyan SirDerpsAlot 1/8 Not voting Ami, PokemonKidRyan, lol 3
probably irrelevant given the redcheck^
Vote Count
Accused Voters Number PokemonKidRyan Vulgard, Marshal, lol, ArcticXI, Hippoyeetus 5/7 lol EliThePsycho, Blizer, SirDerpsAlot, PokemonKidRyan 4/7 Blizer Mistyx, min 2/7 Not voting Atlas 1
Vote Count
Accused Voters Number SirDerpsAlot Marshal, Vulgard, Mistyx, Blizer, ArcticXI 5/6 Vulgard Arete, Atlas 2/6 Blizer EliThePsycho, Hippoyeetus 2/6 Marshal SirDerpsAlot 1/6
Vote Count
Accused Voters Number Blizer Mistyx, Hippoyeetus, Marshal, Atlas, Blizer 5/5 Not voting EliThePsycho, Arete, Vulgard 3
I’m mildly inclined to think that EoD4 makes Vul/Atlas not W/W
if they were W/W then there’s no reason for Atlas to park his vote on Vul (not going over at that point) rather than Derps (very likely going over)
I was going to say that if the team isn’t Eli/Atlas then the team decided to have the more townread wolf bus and the less townread wolf not bus but I don’t think that’s technically true
it’s true if Marshal is a wolf though
Its good that you agree that vul and me aren’t the team, which brings me back to the two potential tesams5
Teams, I have the iq of 5
In your guys eyes, its either eli/me, or eli/Marshal, can’t be anything else
I think it can be you/Marshal with Marshal going for the F5 bus → F3 win strategy
maybe that’s a dumb thing to think
Didn’t everyone and their mother say it wasn’t that?