[SFM] Evolution Mafia [Mafia wins]

[Italy]

This’d be a damn strong role for a single evo point.

[katze]

WhIcH iS wHy I aSkEd ThE tWo PeOpLe I aSkEd MuLtIpLe TiMeS

sOlIc AnD eMiLiA, oNe Of ThEm AlMoSt DeFiNiTeLy HaS tWo PoInTs

[Italy]

It could only be hippo, emilia or…
checks list because blind
i have no clue who the 5th person was
oh right solic thanks kat

[Icibalus]

i guess it’s the fact that it can only give information to VTs or day-only players that makes that make sense? it still doesn’t feel like a plausible role for a villager to have

[Italy]

oh wait hippo didn’t get a point

[PoisonedSquid]

Well, it’s not clear as to how points would be needed to reach this role, so Squid is sticking with her theory

[Italy]

me, marshal, kat
yeah there’s only 2 spaces

[eevee]

hmm

It’s like a free motion detect + poe of 3.
Yeah, that’s strong

[Italy]

solic
are you caroler

[Icibalus]

it’s okay we won’t think of you any differently
you’re already pretty high on the wolves nightkill list if it’s any consolation

[Solic]

@Possessed

/Vote Possessed

@Possessed

That’s fine.

@Possessed

Its fine to be honest. Its not a throw if it can get a point across

@Possessed

I want an apology when I die though, Ici.

An apology and a Derps vote from you.

@Possessed

Its not a fucking soulread, don’t fucking do that…discredit my read like that.

You know, however much I hate this, I’m still going to townread this ATE. Let’s hope they reevaluated it after Marshal flipped town though.

@Possessed

Why y’all MFers all up in Marshal’s grill?

Her ISO is 160+ posts of shade, fluff and read-less accusations. That’s actually a pretty good bet

/Vote Amelia

…? …??? Wait, the whole narrative was that SDA was bussing Marshal with their vote and now Possessed is harddefending Marshal and not voting SDA…? This must be late on the wagon I hope, but this SDA focus is honestly a bad look.

@Icibalus

@Icibalus

I don’t preflip people day one

Going to say that ici/Possessed isn’t scum vs scum and it paints Possessed a little townier, because you can’t just be this genuinely offensive when you’re scum I think.

@sulit

@sulit

Final Vote Count

Votee	Voted by	Votes
Marshal	Arete, SirDerpsAlot, Eevee, Amelia, Solic, Hippolytus	6
Possessed	Luxy	1
N.1	Vulgard	1
Amelia	Possessed, katze, Marshal, PoisonedSquid, Emilia, Jake	6

EoD vote. 6 on Marshal, 6 on Amelia. Vulgard parked on N.1, Luxy parked on me. With Luxy flipping Town, Vulgard off-wagon and I believe 2 non-voters (N.1, Icibalus)…scum wagoned on Amelia. Judging by the tie vote, this could also mean at least 1 scum has been off-wagon otherwise they would have swung the vote to one side. It also reinforces the idea that Marshal is a townie as well.

Off Wagon Voters NOT Conf. Town: Vulgard/Luxy (Conf. Town)/ N.1/Icibalus

I believe theres a great chance of scum being in this pile. Icibalus pushing a townie as scum D1 based on 2-3 posts is going to obviously look bad if they are scum when the townie flips, and I feel that play would be entirely too incriminating. Unless the plan was to just push me and say, “Oops! Sorry guys I guess I was wrong!”, then I can’t see it. The Luxy kill might clear Ici on this too, as they mindmelded each other and its always better to keep those types alive.

N.1 has scum equity due to inactivity upon push, and I did look favorably into the players on that wagon. I’m super curious as to why this wagon broke down so fast and the chief engineer (Solic) gave up on pushing it.

Vulgard is an interesting case because I generally get town vibes from their posts, but I think I’ve townread Vulgard every game recently. They just always have this villagery outlook on the game, so I classify Vulgard as a Wildcard in this game. If they are wolf, the plan is to deepwolf.

I want to do a movement analysis later because there’s no doubt scum on Amelia’s wagon. Right now, if I had to rank scum equity on off-wagon votes, its going:

N.1 > Vulgard > Icibalus

I had the exact opposite read on this situation with off wagon voters being town distracting away from scum being voted by the lesser wagons. It makes sense from Possessed’ town point of view that he’d not analyse it like this though…

@Possessed

Katze jumps onto this wagon from not placing a vote anywhere, pushing the wagon above N.1 (who has 3) to 4. This vote looks the worst to me in the event that my off-wagon theory is correct because it looks like an attempt to get on a wagon to save a potential scummate. This largely relies on an N.1 scumflip, but could be very indicative of a power move.

This is a good observation to me.

@Possessed

My scum-der dome is going to be Katze v Emilia. I can see a Katze/N.1 Slot (Wazza) scum team with the opposite being Emilia. Katze flip can answer quite a few questions, and she’s been null-to-scum so far this game.

/Vote Katze

Ill read over Wazzas stuff to see if my theory is wrong but well see.

I have no clue why Emilia would be scum here?? They pushed N a great deal and only swapped when I had swapped already. Emilia is towncore to me. Please reconsider that read.

@Possessed

Why am I getting the feeling that it’s absolutely worthless to put effort into making advanced reads? Nobody wants to read anything ever

I’m reading This is such a fucking town statement aaahhh.

@Possessed

There HAS to be scum on the Amelia wagon; there’s absolutely zero chance there isn’t.

Katze
Emilia
Jake
PoisonedSquid
Marshal
Me

The top 2 I listed I believe have the shadiest votes, and Jake has a “wtf are you actually doing” to his vote. All 3 very high scum equity.

The timing on Katze’s vote, coming from no vote to Amelia wagon could suggest an attempt to steer a direction. There is also a chance scum was satisfied with the voters quo and stayed off. N.1s flip is much more dependent on Katzes flip here. If Katze flips scum, it’s a direct implication on the next highest wagon: N.1.

Katzes ISO screams null to me; good portion of fluff and memes.

Now that Marshal has flipped town, you can reevaluate this I hope.

@Possessed

Why did you change your name Wazza

This clown emoji is honestly pissing me off a bit (yes this invites people to use it against me lul) Don’t think Possessed would do that against a fellow scummate so easily. I’m not sure. This is a somewhat weak argument, but an argument nonetheless.

@Possessed

I was gonna say, 30 mins??

Not upset with N.2 being top wagon, though. Lets see if there’s wagon movement.

Possessed was pushing N decently day 2, but that means a lot less, because N was already quite a doomed slot from their day 1.

@Possessed

Arete. Arete jumped off.

HMMMMM.

HMMMM Indeed.

@Possessed

I want Katze but nobody wants it so I gotta go with my #2

I feel like, with having knowledge that N was going to flip scum, this is such an odd statement to make. Very towny post.

@Possessed

Not too late to CFD Katze, otherwise I’m parked on N.2.

@Possessed

My man.

/Vote Katze

@Possessed

You WiFoMing me? Grrrr. Two can play here.

/Vote N.2

Meh I guess they still tried to go for it.

@Possessed

So I’ve been trying to keep up on the post restrictions that most of us seem to have, and I actually agree with your assessment, Solic. I don’t think it would be fair to ONLY give town restrictions and it would honestly look bad for those who WERENT given restrictions if it was only wolves.

Current Playerlist:
Arete - Restricted
PoisonedSquid - Restricted
JakeTheWolfie - Restricted
SirDerpsAlot - Restricted
Italy - Unrestricted
Katze - Restricted
Emilia - Unrestricted?
Possessed - Restricted
Solic - Unrestricted
Eevee - Restricted
Icibalus - N/A (Hasn’t joined discussions)
Hippolytus - Restricted

So at MAX 4 people right now have no restrictions, and 8 have confirmed restrictions. Two restrictions are absolutely absurd (Whatever Eevee’s is and SDA’s picture only restriction) and could very likely be fake. Begs the question: Why fake a restriction?

The only plausible reason I could see of faking a restriction is that wolves weren’t given restrictions. I’m not sure if they’d be told about these occurances, but that should mean town are in the unrestricted. Italy was the first to claim unrestricted to my knowledge, so unless wolfteam was given info on restrictions…Italy should be town.

My readslist:

Arete - Scumlean (That Eevee CFD attempt was VERY bad yesterday)
PoisonedSquid - Townlean (Not Pocket Squid, just regular Squid…usually my easiest read)
JakeTheWolfie - Null, slight scumlean (Jake is always my hardest read because he acts scummy as both alignments)
SirDerpsAlot - Scumlean (Arete brought up an interesting point on a potential N.1 spew, but I have Arete in PoE so this flip depends on Aretes alignment; was also an early scumread of mine and hasn’t really contributed much)
Italy - Townlean (For reasons stated above, this is most likely town based on unrestriction)
Katze - Null (The vote on N.1 had me thrown for a loop because I was convinced that she voted off N.1 the prior night, but she could have just slammed N.1 for the bus cred. Katze is also claiming to “hide behind Vulgard” so that needs to be a big discussion point today)
Emilia - Null, Slight Townlean ( If the post restriction theory is correct, this slot is Town; also an early N.1 voter on D1 with Solic and Vulgard)
Solic - Townlean ( First voter on N.1 and has pretty much never changed positions)
Eevee - Scumlean (I have no idea what to make of Eevee’s plays this game, but they are weird; if Eevee is faking a restriction that’s even weirder)
Icibalus - Null, Slight Townlean (I’ve previously had this slot Town on behavior alone, but I think we need to really see what Ici does today to see if the meta behavior is a farce because Ici hasn’t really contributed much aside from a tunnel on me)
Hippolytus - Null (Why is Hippo being townread on meta behavior? This is why people do these dumb non-contributive meats…ill keep Hippo in PoE until they do something townie)

So if were talking shots, a good shot pool I’d say is in the Arete/SDA/Eevee pool. Arete v Eevee doesn’t appear to be town v town but I also can’t see them being on the same Scum team. Id likely recommend a shot on the obvious scum in those two, and if Arete is determined to be scum…SDA should be clear. An Eevee/SDA scum team is more likely.

I can /Vote as much as I want within my post restriction, but I’m going to try to keep my regular posts content-filled until we’re closer to EoD when I know I can use more and still fulfill my restriction. If you guys want to compile questions for me or want me to look into specific things, ping me and ill try to do it all in one post.

(Reference - Post 2)

PR it seems. I like effort on Possessed. Did they try hard as scum before? I don’t disagree with many reads here. Just SDA should be reevaluated hard here imo. My strongest argument there would be that the tunnel on Marshal does not make sense to be continued if SDA had TMI on their alignment after the Italy duel happened.

@Possessed

See? I knew the Katze flip would have answered more questions than an N.1 flip, but nobody believed me.

/Vote Katze

I’ll flip scum anyday regardless of what info they might provide. I like this vote though.

Possessed solid town. I’ll rank everyone I’ve ISO’ed later probably. I’m not sure if I’ll do everyone, because it actually takes a lot. Might just continue with PoE.

[Solic]

@PoisonedSquid

Squid can check the rolelist to see if this “Sleuth Peek-Sender” role exists since possible roles are listed in the OP

(Squid is hoping that the name quoted is the official term)

Your post restriction is referring to yourself in the third person? I feel like these post restrictions are very unfairly dealt out lol.

[eevee]

@Solic

Your post restriction is referring to yourself in the third person? I feel like these post restrictions are very unfairly dealt out lol.

…

[katze]

@Solic

This clown emoji is honestly pissing me off a bit (yes this invites people to use it against me lul)

[Icibalus]

god dammit katze now you’re making clown faces you’re making this really hard for me to not make more references

[PoisonedSquid]

Squid has been referring to herself and others in the third person by now. How has it now so obvious this late into the day to require it being mentioned?

[Italy]

from least to “kill me”
hippo has to use at least (#) emojis?
arete must speak in caps
squid must speak in third person
derps must use pictures
kat has to alternate between lower and uppercase
jake can’t use vowels
eevee had to speak in poem (and isn’t a native english speaker)

[katze]

HeLlO iCiBaLuS iD lIkE tO pLaY a GaMe

[Solic]

I’m catching up and haven’t read most of this day yet in detail, just skimming.

[Italy]

i’m actually disappointed that i didn’t get a post restriction because evo points are nice