PokemonKidRyan:
I like Alice’s opening for sure.
I am unsure how to feel about the Marshal attempt to ITA Vul straight away without discussion but since I’m going to try and avoid mechanical talk (Since that’s what made me make town lose JJBA Mash) I’ll just keep an eye on it for now.
Seems good. He has a read on someone and explains it. I like this.
PokemonKidRyan:
I’m trying to work out Ici/Kyo interactions right now.
I don’t think it’s indicative of either of their slots alignments atm but I would like something for comparison if possible.
This seems rather town minded too. If he’s scum, he’s doing a good job of hiding it.
I couldn’t agree more with him here. More info is always better. Despite that, I feel this is NAI because scum want info too as it helps them make their decisions.
PokemonKidRyan:
Let’s drop the core PoE and other PoE thing now.
I’m gonna try and make a reads list D1 in a bit starting from openings from all players and see how it progresses.
Hmmm, getting a core PoE early is pretty important and he doesn’t want to set one up? Slightly scummy here. It’s like he doesn’t want us to figure out who could be scummy.
A lot of fluffing that doesn’t tell us anything important. Slightly scummy as it could be that he only wants to look like he’s trying to figure out something.
PokemonKidRyan:
PKR quick reads chart based on openings (10 - Top Town. 1 - Top Scum):
Not spoken yet - Leaf, Centuries, Darth, Gorta, Light, Hippo, 意大利, Italy, CRich
Why is he making something like this so early on? It’s like he’s trying too hard to look as townish as possible.
PokemonKidRyan:
Alice - Opening was by far the best out of everyone I’ve seen. She has started very seriously and is taking no prisoners. I believe that she is genuine townie atm who is trying to make sure everything runs smoothly
I realise I included Seth twice and EVO hadn’t even talked. I think I mixed EVO and Evil up but then that means I would’ve included EVO twice. Idk, I’ll read up from there and try to do so again.
Chloe - Chloe started off a bit quiet but then seemed to get more into things when I made the list. She made sure not to jump to conclusions too fast which I like tonally as well.
SDA - Derps literally couldn’t make their mind up when I was posting going from serious to joking and back and forth. I think if Derps was town that they would attempt to actually just be one or the other as instead it feels like they’re trying to seem like they’re doing more (by posting a fair bit) while not contributing much.knew there weren’t any D1 shots but did this on purpose as wolf theatrics because people would quickly assume that they would be paying more attention as wolf and therefore would use this to slide under the radar. I also hate how when Alice was making her tentative town reads how Marshal was like “You’re missing me” which feels like LAMIST.
I have not read anything recently that has happened due to making this though so I do hope that I’m not interrupting anything or posting at a bad time.
I do like this though as it shows what he thinks of the other players, and doesn’t feel faked.
Not really AI, but it gives me slightly bad vibes.
Why even really say this? It looks like he’s playing the oh poor me card, which isn’t townminded in the slightest. Scum do this all the time though. I’m starting to think PKR might be scum after all. Maybe I was wrong about Derps and Light as well.
PokemonKidRyan:
Apprentice, I apologise for not having included you before when I did my reads. I sorta liked your opening, you asked a question which is good to establish, voted someone fairly quickly and discussed the possibility of a wolf theatre between Ici (W/W) being low.
I liked your contributions so I’d put you as a 6, maybe 7.
This one shows thought which I rather like.
This is a pretty townie thing to point out and I like it.
Only the first sentence is particularly townish. The rest seems like fluff.
PokemonKidRyan:
Day seems to have devolved a bit.
If this was normal throne of lies and you could force anyone to trial for a defense.
This just puzzles me. Why even ask that? It makes no sense and distracts from the solving. It would only make sense if PKR was scum, which I’m starting to consider as a possibility.
PokemonKidRyan:
I… don’t know how to take Chloe’s most recent post at all.
Also, fine.
Another statement that only makes sense if asked as scum.
PokemonKidRyan:
Please read my ISO to see previous reads and things my slot did.
10
Will explain all, but gonna take some time.
Not sure why he’s placing me so high or what his reasoning behind the placement is. Not explaining his reasoning is a bit scummy too.
PokemonKidRyan:
Alice - Alice has continued her strong start, constantly re-evaluates who to shoot between and who her suspects are. I loved her tone during the Chloe trial too as she took it all in her stride. I think that she’s amazing this game and her dedication is very much indicative of a town alice who’s had enough of us losing giant mashes like this (Or whatever it would be considered. I think Mash is the right term)
Ici - Ici early on had a good tone, I still like his Kyo/Ici interaction and attitude of trying to end it early on, so this continued from my old list. Ici has been frustrated and his reactions to Sigurd and claiming speed felt legitimate. I’m concerned about his slot because he is good but he’s the closest for me to move up the reads list.
Vul - Vul’s reactions have come across as legitimate and not forced, being frustrated with me and questioning me about my readslist before. Vul’s done a lot of analysis on different slots, re-evaluating and checking who’s doing what. I would like @Vulgard to do a readslist if possible and discuss some more. Vul, what did you think about the grand trial thing I did? Tonally who did you like/dislike during it?
Marshal - Now that I re-evaluate this slot, I can see that Marshal was frustrated with me due to me not picking up what he was saying. His attempt to cover for my slot is absolutely a pro-town move and I think I mostly just got annoyed with how he wasn’t being serious and disliked the fake townslip earlier on.
Gorta - Gorta’s the one on this level that I have the least reasoning behind. I remember someone said that Gorta is either really townie / really scummy and I have liked his reactions to the grand trial with Chloe since it shows Gorta isn’t just stagnating in his reads.
Leafia - Leafia is someone that is quiet but from what they posted I don’t see anything which stands out as scummy. This slot potentially could go down to 6 if they don’t speak more because I could see them trying to fly under the radar if they stay quiet. I’d like to see @Leafia produce more conducive reads. Their reaction to the grand trial was quite normal and didn’t stand out much.
意大利 - Claims a killer (potentially) and I don’t think it’s just a reaction test. I’m not sure what the plan from this slot is but I like it so far. I want to see some more from them before I lock them into this position as I’m tentatively putting them here. They act seriously but sometimes just disappear from nowhere.
Apprentice - Apprentice’s reactions have been normal. They were annoyed when I didn’t add them to the reads list before. Apprentice used some meta on the cloned slot and has been making reads / small points to explain their feelings. Would like a bigger list if possibleOnly thing which really annoyed me about this slot is they refused to answer my questions (which as y’all can see later led to my questions being clearly shown why they were as they were)
My 8/7 reads.
He explains it here but with how he explained it afterwards, it spounds like he had to think of why he placed who he did where, so it feels forced to me.
Fair enough.
PokemonKidRyan:
Centuries - Centuries has made really mild reads but has made a couple of decent questions. I want to see more content from them, but they’re not particularly scummy thus far, just a bit too in the background.
Mode - Seth has continued to be quiet, his tone keeps changing a bit which makes me unsure of it, however, I feel like he just keeps being like “Guys, I’m town, please listen” which comes off as a desperate villager who’s a bit lost in a big setup. He’s the one I’m the least certain of that’s on this rating atm. I’d like him to speak more, give solid reads and just try instead of being like ‘I’m good. Listen to me’
Sulit - I think scum sulit would be trying more than they have been. The fact that I have seen a non-serious tone for so long in his ISO just tells me that Sulit feels safe and he has nothing to worry about. I could be wrong about that but it’s been too calm to be scum.
Chloe - I think this goes for myself and everyone when I say that Chloe’s start was fairly abhorrent, which is why I targeted her with my ability due to having to pick someone anyway. She picked things up from there and took things in her own stride. I’m tentative to call her town due to the shift, but I like how things are going. I look forward to seeing more from her.
Evil_Ginger - Had some fair points earlier on such as post #501 . Evil was quite non-serious earlier on as I know and I don’t think that Scum!Evil has that type of entrance which is uncaring. I like some of their posts, but others seem like they don’t care. Need a bit more actual content from this slot. Thing which erks me most is Evil’s refusal to cooperate when I was asking for high scum targets (E.g. for ToL Trial or for shooting). I’m only keeping them here because there’s already a fair few slots lower than them.
Darth - Darth is someone that I have had the pleasure to play with for quite some time so I think I can read them well. They tried to blend in a bit and make some reads but it’s nothing outside of his town meta from what I remember. I’m going to double check this, but due to it being town AI for Darth iirc, I’d be happy to say Darth is town. I want them to do more things on their own back though instead of trying to just get by.
TBE - TheBlueElixir has been doing fine, asserting some pressure but also being fairly jokey at certain points. They come across as genuine but uncaring, a similar thing to Evil but I think that in general, TBE has been more townie than Evil.
CRich - Biggest problem with this slot is that they’re saying “(X) has acted like (Y)” instead of analysing things which have gone on this game, which makes me think they might have possibly ignored the whole Chloe thing on purpose. They ask some questions, make some shallow reads. I’d like for them to actually read more of the thread instead of just (for example) them comparing me to the ToS game but I can see they’re at least trying to contribute like this.
Here’s my 6’s.
I feel that T!PKR would’ve put Seth a lot lower on the list to be honest.
PokemonKidRyan:
EVO - Post #2367 was the only good post from them that I have seen and even that was not impressive. It seems to me like EVO is trying their best to flake just about enough that they can get away with their reads and I really dislike that as a whole.
Hippo - Hippo’s entrance was unsurprisingly not good due to his jokey nature coming into play. The fake ITA being why I originally sus’d Marsh happening again and they subtly quipped at me for no reason about the LOTR FM game. I have not seen any serious posts from them and claiming speed could be seen as scummy to try and get people to give away whether they are or aren’t our protag. Also just won’t read, doesn’t care.
Cloned - Out of my lowest reads, cloned is the one I always struggle on but I just don’t really like their entrance. Cloned has also disappeared at some very weird times which I do further dislike. A lot of their posts have had quoting others but then not really contributing or giving their own take of the posts. Their most recent posts are also like ‘should I sleep’ ‘I fell asleep’ etc. Which just isn’t helping at all.
Light - I think Light relied on the fake clear earlier on a bit too much and went quiet due to it. They have a lot of not serious posts with some slight serious ones sprinkled in to try and hide perfectly. The first 50-60% of their ISO is joke/fluff. The only reason this isn’t lower is because they at least pardoned Chloe, not too slow. They also just aren’t expanding on things at all. Their second to last post needs explaining but they’re like “I dunno”. I dislike this as a whole and don’t see them acting as to how they have in recent town games
Derps - Derp’s tone has changed more than anyone else’s this game and not necessarily in a good way, just being serious then not and never changing from there. As I said earlier, I think if Derps was town that they would attempt to actually just be one or the other as instead it feels like they’re trying to seem like they’re doing more (by posting a fair bit) while not contributing much. Faked a N0 on L1ght who I also think could be scum, was joking around to try and get me to claim and saying they’d hero shoot me or whatever. I want some serious action by this slot, reads and analysis.
Kyo - Just going to keep this short, Kyo literally hasn’t improved much from when I posted my last readslist so my basis is still here, but combine that with Kyo just fading into the background which is unusual for them.
Italy - Italy refuses to make reads and take things seriously when asked they’re like ‘no lol’ and just don’t care at all about contributing to the town. Their reaction towards me was also abhorrent saying that they won’t take threats or bluffs as if they just don’t care. This slot won’t do anything unless they have to, so I think they need to be made to do stuff. I’m getting bored of it and it’s exclusively anti-town.
These reads make sense and I feel is NAI of him.
This feels a bit more natural and like V!PKR to me. He could’ve said it as W!PKR though.
Why ask him who he’d shoot? Kind of wolfy.
I’m starting to see why Derps thinks you’re scum PKR.
He said this yet when Ici shot someone out of his PoE he didn’t advocate shooting Ici. Hmmmm, definitely starting to think PKR is scum that did a good job hiding as a townie.
PokemonKidRyan:
Ah, well, fair enough I guess lol.
Which atm is Italy or Kyo.
Kind of goes against the last statement in a way. So he’s basically saying that if he thought someone outside the PoE was scummy, all guns should be on them because then they’re confirmed scum then in the next statement says that he’d shoot out of the PoE himself if he thought someone outside of it was scummy. Definitly wolfy behavior. Probably a scumslip too.
PokemonKidRyan:
I’m getting fucking annoyed and trying not to snap.
But guess WHY it’s a joke y’all… it’s because of people who don’t take it seriously.
Showing a townie line of thought here, like he realized he screwed up earlier amnd was trying to cover it up.
PokemonKidRyan:
In fact I’ll just throw it now.
@ModeShifter listen to me.
I know the one thing which makes you work hard is your ego.
I know you were town in both, but my point is, I want you to show me how you can be good.
That’s true, the three of us have played a lot of games together and both of us are excellent at telling when Seth is scum. It just seems really weird to me how PKR could be tricked into thinking a scumseth could possibly be town, especially with how Seth was playing. It seems like he was coaching Seth to get him to act more townie.
This confirms my thoughts on the matter.
It’s clear to me now why the scumteam didn’t kill PKR. Because he’s one of them. That’s the only possible explanation I can think of. I don’t know why he didn’t just claim to green check Apprentice or me last night as that would’ve been the smart thing to do and it’s what V!PKR would’ve done. My guess is that either he and his buddies weren’t thinking straight or because he thought claiming to greencheck Zone would make more sense.
/vote PKR. He’s the onlty possible lynch for today.
