[SFM] Luigi Mansion Town Win

[Geyde]

@MaximusPrime

also idk why isaac got modkilled but the “bomb” does nothing now as no one can activate it?

It still blows up.
FK modconfirmed it.

[MaximusPrime]

oh, ok

[MaximusPrime]

anyway, mind if you tell me what’s happened so far

[Geyde]

I can only really give a cursory glance.

Wazza is obvtown.
Maxwell is probably town? Definitely not scum if Solic is scum. He’s had a very weird game but I think it is more likely that they are town in this instance than not.
Squid probably not scum if Ici is scum.
Autobahns in Germany.

Ici is probably scum. He’s had poor interactions overall.
Ici/Solic are pushing each other. (Tinfoiling SvS )

@Nerbins

ATE is used by scum, right?

Nerbins is being Nerbins.

Soul is probably scum based on their posts, being both limited and extremely similar to RRM.

[Geyde]

You can skip most posts up to 500

[MaximusPrime]

@Geyde

Wazza is obvtown.
Maxwell is probably town? Definitely not scum if Solic is scum. He’s had a very weird game but I think it is more likely that they are town in this instance than not.
Squid probably not scum if Ici is scum.

ok i hate to shove the work to you but do you mind explaining a bit?

also wdym by this

@Geyde

Autobahns in Germany.

[Geyde]

@MaximusPrime

ok i hate to shove the work to you but do you mind explaining a bit?

It requires context, but the TL;DR version

1. just read Wazza’s ISO
2. Maxwell basically has been on and off extremely scummy then suddenly not scummy. He scumread Ici but didn’t vote him for a lot of posts, but then just acts like town!Maxwell would for a lot of posts. Not scum w/ Solic because I don’t think he can do wolf theatre with a scumbuddy.
3. Squid’s discussion with Ici over who got the bomb.

@MaximusPrime

also wdym by this

We’ve had a lot of mechanics discussion.
Most of it has been pointless.

Eevee used some good reasoning to help put us back on track per se

[MaximusPrime]

@Geyde

also wdym by this

We’ve had a lot of mechanics discussion.
Most of it has been pointless.

Eevee used some good reasoning to help put us back on track per se

i meant the autobahns part lol

wtf does that mean

[Meteoro]

Vote Count

Ici-Geyde Maxwell datbird-3
Wazza-Celeste-1
Solic-Icibalus-1
Nerbins-Solic-1
Eevee-wazza-1

[Solic]

@Geyde

Eevee used some good reasoning to help put us back on track per se

@Geyde

What else do you think about Eevee?

[Solic]

Interesting how you only have 1 scumlean.

[Icibalus]

It’s the Autobahn fallacy, the most classic false sylogism.

Hitler built autobahns.
Hitler was evil.
Ergo, Autobahns are evil.

[Icibalus]

I love the fact that you’re trying to argue micro reads are wolfy lmao

[Icibalus]

By the way, he still hasn’t said outright if he thinks I’m wolf or not. I’ve repeatedly pointed that out, and there is literally zero reason why village!solic wouldn’t just openly say “I think Ici is wolf/I think Ici might be wolf but i’m not sure” etc. by this point.

[Icibalus]

Here’s some quotes of Solic’s amazing and “not shadethrowy” posts:

Hello, I'm definitely trying to push people and 100% not shadethrowing!

@Solic

Oh god, of course we dive straight into mechanical bullshit for some reason.

presuming everybody out of Wazza/Isaac/Me to be vilage, of course, but bear with me.

@Solic

I feel like Ici handled that very calmly for some reason.

@Solic

Reference for where I’m at here.

I don’t like Ici trying to steer it back to mechanics here.

@Solic

What do you need, fellow citizen?

Why so formal Geyde…?

@Solic

/vote Isaac

Isaac . . . you’re exhibiting all of your predictable scum tells again.

Hi opportunism.

@Solic

have I missed something?

Oh I don’t like how “measuring the crowd” this statement is.

@Solic

“”"“wolfy”""" backpedal post:

Scummy to even point this out of yourself. Someone is feeling selfconscious here.

@Solic

I’m convinced lol

Hmm now that I reread what he said prior to this, the progression is not that weird. But then again someone like Ici would ensure his progression is on point.

Read my previous thoughts on Solic for the full explanation as to why this post is really fucking wofly.

@Solic

Nice gut read you got there.

Yeah Wazza and Ici are never on the same team here.

The tone of this post is really weird because it implies heavily that there is a wolf between me and Wazza but he isn’t actively saying it, like a villager would.

@Solic

I would pass the bomb to you right now, but I’m not stupid enough to do that, I would rather have a civil discussion on what to do with it

How very towny of you Squid.

@Solic

so stop trying to pressure me

Is it because you crack under pressure?

@Solic

I gave Squid the bomb because I guessed that she’d react in some interesting way. In any case, my conclusion is that Squid is probably village.

How is that your reasoning?

@Solic

since if she was wolf I imagine she’d feel quite calm about the bomb since she’d probably be able to deal with it fairly easily.

Does. Not. Compute. If that’s your thought process why would you give it to her in the first place with “LOLREACTIONTESTS” as your backdrop.

@Solic

Seriously, does anyone else want me to give Isaac the bomb so it could possibly go away when he gets modkilled?

Why are you so against a bomb? It’s good against slankers and it generates discussion. That’s a more town-sided passive than “lul let’s vote privately for who we heal”.

@Solic

Beg and he shall receive.
/vote WazzaAzza
@Firekitten

Icibalus:

he’s obvious village
don’t do it

Maxwell:

Meh I’ll decide later
/unvote
@Firekitten

This turnaround is sooooooooooooo bad. Aaaahhhhhh

@Solic

That’s how Mafia works.

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@Solic

I don’t like the current climate in the thread

I wonder why.

@Solic

That said the quotes you pulled of me are a bit blatantly obvious, even for me, solic.

Are you openwolving then?

What do you think of Squid?

@Solic

Yea, let’s make 2 posts discussing how we should discuss other things instead of letting me have my rant time.

@Solic

But there I could actually trust you.

@Solic

Look how he’s overthinking it.

@Solic

You can be a little less brash about it. I’m right here!

@Solic

You’re in the hotseat now Max, so why don’t you take some of my townleader magic and go full on relentless deatthunnel mode on someone?

this post is particularly egregious since it’s establishing solic as a “town leader” for completely unwarranted reasons.

@Solic

Why are you so concerned with what I want?

@Solic

You’re hardly trying to convince me then though…

@Solic

But that’s a defense… not the relentless deathtunnel that I asked for.

@Solic

Why are you ignoring me?

@Solic

Some idiot passed me a bomb, but 3 hours remain so.

@Solic

One is that I asked for something in our chat and he hasn’t responded in nearly 24 hours.

… I am a working adult. Scum or town me isn’t afraid to post a response hahaha.

@Solic

Also this post is soooo wordy when it’s basically overanalyzing one post out of my whole stream of consciousness from catching up with the thread.

Icibalus:

None of Solic’s ISO is much better.

If it’s so bad, come with some more quotes.

@Solic

I asked you why you befriended Ici.

@Solic

We don’t know when the bomb explodes. It’s implied that the bomb explodes at LyLo, and even then it is likely exploded by a passive.

Benefits of trying to pass to a wolf:

• Information can be gleamed based on how they pass.
• If they forget to pass it and they are wolf. we get 1/3rd of our wincon.
• If some other condition makes it explode then there’s a chance they could die from it, removing wolfy players from the PoE or advancing our overall wincondition.

Benefits of trying to pass to a villager:

• We are more likely to know their allignment (I’ll explain).
• As such, we control the bomb’s position for longer and can manipulate it to a wolf when we are more certain about who to kill or when they kill.
• It may be harder for a wolf to pass AS a villager and may out them if we make a mistake.

Aren’t early solvey posts a scumtell? Pretty sure that’s how you found Alice in Viva la Revolution. (Was that what it was called?)

@Solic

Those posts give me that Squid and Ici aren’t on the same team.

I’m now going to quite making those posts, because of how easy it is to fake something like that.

@Solic

@Icibalus

I don’t really know what to say… read again?

@Solic

Hmm. Btw I lied about giving it to Maxwell and gave it straight to Nerbins, because they have contributed zilch.

@Solic

Interesting how you only have 1 scumlean.

You know what words never appear in Solic’s ISO?

“I think Ici is wolf”. “I think Squid is wolf”. “I think Maxwell is wolf.” Sure, he votes Maxwell, but the only thing he does is ask Maxwell a bunch of questions, and never really tries to convince anybody else to vote Maxwell.

I think Solic is either shadethrowing deliberately or simply trying so desperately to post content that he ends up neglecting to actually make conclusions from it.

[Icibalus]

I rest my case.

[Icibalus]

My gut keeps telling me that Geyde is also wolf, but i’ll probably wait a bit (again) just to make sure that I’m not just desperately hoping that Geyde is wolf, if that makes sense.

[Maxwell]

One of my preliminary reads is that at least one of geyde and solic are scum.
My analysis of Solic thus far in terms of this thread and our shared neighborhood PM thread have not been great in terms of clearing him.

That is one of my strongest scumreads along with at least someone or two between nerbins, squid, and ici.

[Maxwell]

Eevee is also on the bad end to me.

[Maxwell]

Though I have to agree with solic that only one scum lean by datbird is too conservative.