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ok so here’s where I’m at
Let’s say someone outs that they think you’re scum
Do you double down on that and say “welp i can confirm you”
or do you immediately fight back and say “no u scum”
Both make sense but neither make sense at the same time
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All I have for Windward is a toneread, so now I’m wondering if I’m misclearing them. All their actions so far haven’t been out of question for scum. With that said, the toneread is very strong, and I’m not sure if she could fake it that well – but they also do have experience on other sites.
Focusing on the claim, I think it makes her townier. Immediately confirming her accuser is an interesting risk to take if they they’re a wolf – especially since we’re talking about a PR.
cuz claiming to get off of the chopping block bad
unless it’s me doing it
then it’s the bigbrain 9000IQ play
All of his townreads are pretty basic and just stating what we already know/want to hear, but for the most part i agree with them
his scumread on gorta is fairly similar to yours and that’s a good sign imo. he also sussed gorta earlier in the game but presumably because he lacked confidence didn’t push him then. but at least now he’s learnt?
as for my read on kiro
kiro has been very evasive and acting a bit clown-ish and i don’t know if this is something he does often as town/scum so i don’t know exactly what i want to infer. a lot of his posts are just complaints about a previous game which i can’t really use much as part of my read. as youbutworse said he followed gorta’s push on cloned (despite voting gorta earlier???)
something no one else really noticed though is that kiro supposedly ‘townread’ windward yet he didn’t do much to stop the push on her or defend her in general
Okay. Did some checkity checks and that seems to line up with your reads.
This is making me place her somewhere in the middle of my readlist, as despite my toneread, it’s still a toneread and that’s not enough. I guess I’ll have to re-evaluate them later, again.
Also, a random question. Your read on Gorta, go
I had my answer prepared because I went through the last hour of posts once the night started and rewrote all my notes. I gave myself links to posts I wanted to quote and wrote down all my thought processes. Also, I literally just hardclaimed as the town tracker so I’m not sure what else I need to say about it, but here goes. This is what I pulled together during the night, before getting feedback on Cloned’s night actions:
Very strange wording by Worse. Why would Worse want to convince people not to vote Cloned if he never cleared Silviu in his mind? I wish I’d seen this earlier to jump on it, but I was sitting at the doctor for 3 hours and I skimmed the messages I had missed within the last 10 minutes of D1. But if that was a scum slip then both Cloned and Worse are our wolves, and Cloned just made a last-ditch effort to save himself. In that case, Cloned encouraged me to out as a PR in order to use it as a method to save himself because I was voting on him and if people followed me as an outed noob PR, he’d be voted out too fast.
I admit my final read on Silviu was really wrong and I made a huge mistake saying I didn’t think he was vanilla. My original read on his was actually, as I wrote in my notes, “EITHER scum OR upset VT” because he didn’t know who had the PR (which is why I didn’t see a point in taking my vote off him when Arctic asked if I was going to; I wanted to see how people interpreted it and figured the risk of a costly mislynch was pretty minimal), but I rethought this later on and assumed he wasn’t vanilla because of the way he plays (and unfortunately, now I know that he wasn’t lying when he said that really is his play style and that it’s fairly consistent compared to his previous game).
Note that Worse agreed when I said Silviu couldn’t be vanilla and voted him in favor of trusting Cloned.
Now, back to the voting patterns of people jumping on the “lynch Wind” bandwagon yesterday - Cloned jumped on after there was already a lot of suspicion on me, and Worse jumped on after that for somewhat unclear reasons to me after I pressured people to vote me out (and I know that was a really risky and probably bad play as town, but I was hard baiting the scum by doing so, and I think at least Min realized what I was doing). So this is what I meant by asking to see who sussed/voted me last - these two did both. They were late to jump on the wagon and they would’ve gotten a town PR voted out pretty smoothly if they could just convince one more person that I was the best candidate for lynching, but the easy work was being done by the actual town, so Cloned and Worse didn’t even have to say much besides generally agreeing with everyone else’s reads on me until I specifically asked Cloned for his reasoning against me, which he gave but I didn’t (and still don’t) feel like it was a full read so much as trying to elaborate on the flaws Arctic had pointed out. I don’t think Worse noticed right away but I do think Cloned noticed I was likely a PR already and wanted me gone - but because other town was beginning to question whether I was a PR, he prodded me to out myself and then hopped off me to “confirm” himself as town.
The sus would be primarily on Cloned if I died N1, as Silviu flipped town and he knew I would also flip town, and because the three of us were accusing each other in a triangle (with Cloned accusing both of us but then later backtracking and agreeing with me that only one of the three of us could be a wolf), he wouldn’t take a killing action tonight on me in case someone else saw it and I turned up dead. He would offload the task of killing to his cohort, Worse, and possibly bus him because he’s a liability as a quiet newbie who doesn’t know how to cover his tracks yet (especially after that slip).
Now for what I wrote as speculation that would be determined by Cloned’s night actions:
My strategy will be to either confirm Cloned as town based on the results of the night actions, or confirm Cloned as scum by my death (unless they decide to push me on D2). I think Cloned might have a pretty good idea of what my role is. If he’s smart he will either use his action on me to confirm himself, or he won’t use an action and let Worse go for the kill. If I track him tonight, I might see him on me if he’s down. If I don’t see him on anyone, Worse is killing. If Cloned doesn’t visit anyone tonight after having claimed a PR, it will look very sus to me. But I could be totally wrong, and there could be just one town PR and one mafia PR.
And now, based on the results of last night:
As I saw, Cloned was on me last night and I was not killed. If Cloned is mafia, he was smart and delegated the killing task to someone else. Considering he did use a night action, he’s definitely a PR as he claimed, but the question is now whether he’s mafia PR or not. Keep in mind that what I wrote in my speculation during the night was if Cloned and Worse are w/w, and I’m not necessarily convinced of that because I chose to follow Cloned to prove them as a PR rather than following Worse (and thought there was a chance Cloned would be a roleblocker, in which case I would have been notified).
So I may have been completely wrong about one of Cloned, Silviu and me being a wolf, or I may still be right. But my highest scumread right now is actually on Worse.
Regarding Gorta’s sudden vote switch, I’m gonna write something on him later.
…The fact that I’m the only one who had noticed and is talking about Gorta’s literal 180⁰ flip on both Cloned and Silviu makes me uncomfortable. Alright.
didn’t read overnight and i gotta go read that again
I’ll get back to you on that
in the meantime
sleep 
I did, but what do you do when someone claims a PR role that can self resolve with 5 minutes left in the day. Vote randomly and let myself get lynched or lynch the potential PR role?
I say Appel is a slippery wolf because Appel is very capable at controlling the thread, faking towny stuff, and pushing agenda without it looking like agenda. For example I was in one FoL as the cult king and I never figured out that Appel was my fellow cultist until the game ended. I had no information and I townread them. I also recall hard townreading them in WYM (watch your mouth) and they were also scum there. I probably should have explained my position on this sooner, but yeah
I said I would trust Cloned on this one. There was like 10 minutes left and I didn’t know who to CFD to. I screwed up plain and simple. Today I need to re-evaluate big time because I am misclearing someone
If you want a crack at meta reading Kiro you can read Return of the King mafia (they were town there). We haven’t seen Kiro as a wolf before, but yeah you should be able to do something with the previous game
I might not have hard townread Appel in watch your mouth, but I didn’t suspect them
Ahaha~ I might just do that. Thank you!
Gorta, we’ll be having a long discussion about your slot. Tomorrow. Today.
I don’t mind, I just can’t but help and feel that I am being the designated mislynch here for a bad play I made. Like I feel like I would be scum read either way today. If I had just lynched cheese and they flipped PR it would be “gorta sus for not moving from someone claiming PR that can prove themselves” and if I try to save said claim we get what’s happening today.
Nah, Cloned said something about it right away and I have something to say about it as well. Cloned said one between Gorta/Wind/Worse is scum because of that flip, and if Cloned is town then I believe them. But I have a high level of sus on Worse for the reasons I explained in my previous post, and I’m not sure if both Gorta and Worse could be wolves. I didn’t really consider that possibility before 
And the reason I trusted Cloned on the jump to Silviu is because as I had said before, I wanted one of them lynched for information; otherwise I might as well have unvoted entirely.
Gorta right now is the perfect candidate for a mislynch, so I can’t tell if he’s been set up from making a bad call (along with Worse and me) or if he’s actual scum. I need more time to think about where he stands in my readlist. But Gorta, why did you trust Cloned and vote Silviu instead of simply unvoting to get off Cloned?
I actually had to go through the list of possible town PRs just to see which ones would “self-resolve” and narrowed it down to about 3 of them, so I checked Cloned last night to see if I could figure out if it was one of those. I forgot about mafia framers, though, and since I’m the only investigative (at least who’s outed) I wouldn’t be able to catch a frame on myself.
I’m also wondering why Kiro seemed like he was willing to follow my lead but then didn’t change his vote when I did. Maybe he plays like that regardless of whether he’s town or scum, and that would make me a complete idiot for thinking he’s a clear townread. I was just thinking because he’s new, he’s quick to claim his role even though he shouldn’t, but he could very well have done it as a “see, I’m town” wolf trick and I fell for it. I’m gonna look at his other game and see what it looks like.
The safest bet would have been to hop on a vanity wagon and accept death yesterday. Maybe we could put our focus on finding wolves today if I did do that.
the main concern isn’t you moving your vote from cloned
it’s you moving your vote from clone to silviu who you said multiple times is your highest townread and you will refuse to vote them
