It wasnt me
I think it was wind or Artic who pointed it out before cloned. Someone was “maybe they were killed for a reason” and looked at Min’s reads
That actually makes a lot of sense.
We did, yes, and probably because I initiated that conversation. Min was trying to get people off me yesterday, too, as an outed PR, so there’s also that reason.
True, but I want to hold my vote for a bit longer. Also, as Arctic said, that was a bit of a quick hop. You’ve been quick to jump from accusation to accusation if someone else leads the way, and that’s one of the reasons you’re still sus in my mind. It would be fairly easy for a newbie wolf to just hop on a lynch train that isn’t targeting scum and vote them out.
This, and Gorta and Worse both hopped very fast on the Silviu vote, and it would be pretty dumb if both of them as scum made the exact same move tbh.
I see Appel and Worse as an option as well. I don’t really see other non-Kiro wolf/wolf pairs right now unless we want to consider Cloned again, but I need more time to reflect on the information we have at hand before I write about it.
I still won’t rule out the possibility that neither Kiro nor Cloned is scum, as improbable as it might seem to you.
See, this is what worries me about Appel being able to lead a discussion and Gorta being an easy mislynch target. If that’s true, then the wolf is likely Appel. If Gorta really is making sloppy cover-ups for himself, then it would be him, but if he’s really that sloppy then he’d be an easy bus for Appel as well, as much as they’re pointing fingers at each other. I don’t think it’s very likely that they’re w/w, but I don’t think it’s outside the range of possibilities, either.
The thing is, at least for the even newer players, we aren’t as familiar with what your wolf range is or whether you give off any wolfy signals at all when you’re scum. I’m not seeing too many wolfy signals from you except for pushing Gorta, but you could be pushing Gorta as a townie pushing scum for that matter. You’re very clearly the one person in this game that I currently do not have a clear read on, and that irks me because it means I’m missing information. A slippery wolf could very well pull this off, so I’m watching your posts/reactions for the time being.
I don’t think Gorta is the only one who’s brought this up, though, is he? Maybe he initiated the discussion, and he’s pushing you harder than the rest of us, but nobody really knows whether you are or aren’t scum at this point.
Remember what I said about the night kill? I’m not saying that Appel is necessarily scum, but I said it would be a good scum strategy to leave the PRs alone to battle it out the next day because it was likely Cloned and I would both be prime candidates for a lynch depending on the results of our night actions. And that was indeed true at the beginning of the day (and still is, but we’re looking in other places before making any decisions).
I’m actually not sure if that’s a valid statement or not, considering you claimed to get mislynched for tunneling a townie previously.
I brought the point up earlier, too, though. It’s not just Gorta who thinks that.
Appel, does anyone have you as a scumread at all at this point besides Gorta? I’d like for others to answer that question for added input.
Between Gorta and Appel? I’m thinking it’s highly likely, considering how flustered they’re both getting now. There’s high reactivity, and while tonereading and reaction reading isn’t everything, it does speak quite a bit. Appel hasn’t gotten flustered before this point.
Not out of the range of possibilities, if the scum were smart and figured they’d argue each other to death today, but I think kind of less likely that they’re both town. I might be wrong, though (and here I go giving myself an out, but this game has been a rollercoaster so far so excuse me for saying this).
Not the strongest argument I’ve seen so far.
I think Cloned, Arctic and I all noticed that.
The other thing with Min being a night kill is by today, it would’ve been harder to frame Min as a mislynch as well. Min is very observant and gathers a lot of information, and by this point they would have had a stronger opinion on who is or isn’t scum, plus there’s a chance they might have noticed something the rest of us have missed. I wouldn’t put it past the scum to figure that out and decide to get Min out early.
Yup, that was me. I’m still speculating on that and I just wrote it again in my post above. It was either the readlist or because Min was being very careful and analytical in their reads yesterday. They were the first to openly mention they suspected I was a PR, which means they caught on fairly easily and weren’t afraid to mention it.
Yup. But you’re still saying newbies could only figure it out if they happen to be town, huh. I wonder why~?
By the way, did you notice you’ve been scumslipping this entire time? As much as you like to push your Scum!Appel agenta, you’ve completely failed to consider a world where Cloned makes that nightkill. You’ve been showing your TMI on Cloned this whole time. I’m literally done trying to consider the 0.1% where you’re just a town who made a baffling mistake.
Switching to mobile for a bit, so I can’t quote in my responses till I get back on my computer.
That’s because in order for Cloned to kill Min, I would have to be lying because I tracked Cloned and saw everyone they visited last night, and I only saw him visit me.
I usually have good reads, just I am not the best at social plays.
What?
Why does scum cloned claim bodyguard after Kiro claims doc? Wind also saw Cloned visit her
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Sigh.
Alright, I’ll be serious instead and try to reason with you instead of just being irritated with you.
Where are your reads at right now?
Well, Cloned visiting me was the whole basis of the PR dilemma we’ve got ourselves into. Kind of hard to forget, but it’s super late and I guess you’re tired.
I just meant it could be a scumslip if you’re grasping at everything you possibly can to incriminate Gorta and also throw a bit of shade on the PRs again.
What I really don’t like, from this discussion, is Worse being willing to scumread Appel so suddenly. That still bothers me. If they’re town they’re just easily swayed, but if they’re wolf they’re just hopping on the easy train to try to stay under the radar because they’ve done this several times already.
I’m townreading both you and Cloned. I’m not the type to do 180⁰ on my reads, don’t worry.
I do admit that I was throwing everything Gorta’s way, but that is not to say any of that was fake. Just everything that came to mind at that moment. I was irritated at the way he’s handling my slot.
I’m not going to say anything about Appel until I build my case. This back and forth distracts me from this.
I realize that my case is kind of spammy and lacking “evidence”, but I have experience with Appel and know what she can do. I also rely on gut reads quite a bit and that gives the impression of someone making baseless accusations. This case will be a project though, as I have to look over several games to prove my point. The basis of my read is what I said, but I need to put facts behind it.
Yeah its easy to sway me in one direction or another if I can follow your logic
I really do believe there is a wolf between Appel and Gorta. If gorta wants to vote appel, then im down to vote appel. If appel wants to vote Gorta, then im down to vote gorta. I think if we vote one and they flip town, we know who the other wolf is.
No, I want you to vote with your own mind. Don’t follow the crowd just to follow the crowd.
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