[SFoL] 52 Clash Of Cults - The Blue Dragon are Victorious!

‘I am vaguely uneasy with how he portrays the two of us as a potential scumteam, even though I obviously know that’s not the case, but I don’t know how to put it into words.’

Yeah I wasn’t THAT far off

Hello you feel like me when Jgo sheeped me without any thought.
I know I told people to sheep me, but that was to gather information about who would do that and who would not. I was not going for a quicklynch because that would be dumb as BD.

That was after I suggested it, so it wasn’t his own thought.

Yeah, but still. He was specifically saying not to do that, and then he turned around and declared they should.

Yes this was after the supposed revelation that every scumread player is town and we had no one to scrutinize.

Typically people with few scummy posts but mostly BD posts are BD and not scum.
Which doesn’t mean I think Marshal is lock BD, I would like to point that out.
If Marshal was lock BD, who would you like to push today?

Like I said, he’s overall a townread for me.

Bearing in mind that I’m not at my computer and thus can’t easily collect my thoughts, and also that I’m about to go to sleep, I’d probably push Soul for some more content – he’s not totally AFK, and I could go either way on him. I’d also like to hear more analysis from Napoleon, though that’s less a scumread and more noting that he had some strong analysis D1 and is taking more of a backseat today.

I don’t like the fact we are flip-flopping between the wagons and yet the lurkers are not trying to clear everything up.
In fact Jake looks very good to me because he’s actually trying to help, no matter what you think about the reaction test.
The lurkers? They are doing nothing.
/vote Soul Since apparently someone said Frost would be / is bled.
Do something.

Kai is quite confident that neither cults will try and kill him, nor BD will try and lynch him. Unless I misinterpret this, it could mean that A, he is going to try and act like he’s not a threat by posting useless garbage, which the majority of his posts are. or B, he may be cult trying to make sure no one kills him.

Kai pulled this one on me in the grand idea SFoL, anyone remember his alignment from there?

Does Kai generally joke about his reads in this way?

Trying to shut down meaningful discussion day 1. This is not a pro-town mindset, but it does not necessarily condemn him yet. I’ve seen townies say stuff along theses lines before.

It seems weird that instead of trying to lynch the scum claimer (Ozz) he ‘reactiontests’ them in order to clear them. I’m sensing the possibility of a mafia gambit here, except the interactions between Kai and Ozz have been weird all game and I don’t know if they mean that they can’t be on the same team or not.

I was suspicious of Kai after this post, it almost felt like a pocket attempt out of nowhere. I scumread at that point, and had made that pretty clear, yet he still proposed it.

He’s quite quick to let me off the hook in regards to reading Magnus, almost like he was trying to seem towny by asking questions but doesn’t actually care about content being generated thus, when I said I was confused by Magnus, he let it go instantly instead of pressing me for more info.

Lots of meme-ing day one, but that’s NAI for Kai.

Kai was one of the people who did not seem to think Tele was scum from her Sulit read, which was pretty awful considering we know think of her as a towny.

Again why would he reaction test a scum claimer rather than lynching them, unless they were pulling a gambit in order to clear Ozz.

Gutreads Dat as town, which I’m not sure I agree with still.
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-52-clash-of-cults-day-2-a-blood-sacrifice-trinity/77883/1930?u=luxy
Scumreads Derps, and so far has done nothing about this read IIRC.

This feels… off. I mean I guess its explained by Kai saying he was trying to get interactions from Ozz but like, it seems weird to vote someone with the reasons ‘oh he could be town because xyz but he claimed scum so lynch.’

And so, the all scum are inactive narrative begins, and allows Kai to begin to set up his gambit?

The intensity to which he wanted Ozz dead could easily be interpreted as distancing, in preparation for the gambit.

I don’t see how Kai can’t be starting scum…?

Kai clears Vul pretty fast, however, i don’t think this is AI as Vul is townread by everyone except Tele at this point.

However, the fast clearing could be pocketing. Also somehow I am now out of his towncore at this point even though I hadn’t posted yet so his opinion on me should’ve stayed the same.

I was asleep.

Pressure on Marshal, I do like this because marshal’s game has been rather lacklustre to this point.

Yet you wanted me in a towncore yesterday? I think Kai is using his ‘towncore’ as a means to be townread.

The progression here makes sense, but is light. Wouldn’t a pally trying to get associations wait longer than to almost instantly out the red check just because Ozz wanted reasoning for the push on him?

When he said this me, I believed him, hwever, if we consider a gambit, there is plenty of motivation.

Kai is quite defensive for one vote on him, especially when Derps says ‘fake paly’ maybe he was scared his gambit was caught already?

He calls it a gambit instead of a reaction test/FPS?


Overall, I think the possibility of a scum gambit between Ozz and Kai is a decent possibility. Kai’s ISO is a mess of contradictions and insignificant pushes designed to look towny without actually generating content. Some of Kai’s reads are good, however, this is multiball and I think there is a very solid chance of Kai and Ozz being cultists, having planned the whole ‘fake red check’ in their scum chat.

@Vulgard @Arete @Centuries any thoughts?

I think you are onto something.
I will write a better response to this when I gather my thoughts. For now I’m parking my vote on Soul because I want him to talk regardless of his possible alignment.

https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfol-sfol-50-endgame/77175/5085?u=luxy

Kai was also neutral last time I saw him say ‘its day 1 let me meme’ (Paraphrasing)

Neutral = Not BD, so theres a good chance he’s not Bd here.

I woke up, and I’m mostly caught up.

So Ozzkozz claimed Paladin with a check on Napoleon but occupied.

Kai claimed Paladin with a redcheck on Ozzkozz, but the redcheck is fake and a reactiontest?

Italy also claimed Paladin with a NS check on Arete.

Then the Ozzkozz votes switched to me and I’m currently at 4 votes.
Correct me if I misread something, please.

:thinking:

/vote Kai_5

Is Kai actually claiming Paladin or was just the redcheck fake?

Correct, do you have any opinions on today’s transgressions?

He has rescinded his paladin claim.

I think either Kai or Italy is scum, but I’m not sure.