[SFoL] 52 Clash Of Cults - The Blue Dragon are Victorious!

@Marshal you as well please

So am I scum or not?

If I have to to make a lynch happen today, I will.

When do you think we should make our decision?

Well Iā€™ll be asleep for EoD so in 9 hours, before I go to sleep.

I would be lying if I said voting Kai wasnā€™t because of the scum association put on us by Luxy and Marshal. I was hoping I could help ease that situation, but it looks like it may have done more harm than good.

I mostly voted them up because of their 180 on me from claiming the red check was fake and that my response was BD-like to saying that Iā€™ve been acting scummy today. I understand how some may think that I was OMGUSing (I was 90% NOT OMGUSing), but I donā€™t know if thatā€™s indicative of a scum player.

I really want to see what Kai flips. Kai ā€œactsā€ super confident with his supposed 1337 strategies, but I think itā€™s fake. They seem to be influenced too much by others to back up the confidence of their bold attempts at gaining reactions and asserting influence.

I honestly donā€™t think Jake would be a bad lynch today. I doubt Iā€™ll be a person to vote Jake up before L-7, but you can count on me to fall in line when the time comes. I agree with whoever said it above that Jake has been acting differently this game comapred to the last one I/we played with him.

@Luxy, I hope you donā€™t take offense to this, but you are scum to me. Maybe Iā€™ve read your posts wrong, but I feel most of your conclusions have been when others like Marshal and Vulgard are active, so Iā€™m skeptical of your motivations. My brain has possible cognitavely lumped Marshal, Vulgard, and Luxy into the same scum team together.

Iā€™m likely going to bed in 3-4 hours so rip

Gotcha!

If you think Iā€™m scum, why are you trying to win me over?

And for the record, I was the first one to theorize that you and Kai are the same team.

Iā€™m trying to win you over as a person. Iā€™d rather not be hostile to each other in this game. I think the could be potential for us to work peacefully together.

What are you other reads? Who is town? who is scum?

So this is the post that set off the scumreading of Jake in the first place, I personally donā€™t think this post is a scumslip the way everyone else is reading it so I wouldnā€™t take it as too significant.

This is a super weird question. I almost thought it was a Butler soft when I first read it, now that heā€™s claimed not Butler I canā€™t help but wonder if he was testing the waters for getting an elected Devout King.

If Jake flips Cult, itā€™s likely that the Paladins/Hunters are not part of the same Cult he is.

Aaaa stop massclaiming D2 aaaa especially not as a guiltful BD killer in a Cult game, i.e. a person who can be redirected to kill two BD for the price of one if either Cult has an invoker capable of doing so.

Basically a reasonable use of night action if true, though.

This is at the end of part 2 of a two-part Iso of Kai. I feel like overall the reasoning in the Iso is kind of weak, sort of like heā€™s trying really hard to look solvey but isnā€™t. Could just be a sign that heā€™s new at Isoing people, I know many of mine fall into this sort of pattern.

I donā€™t think people WifoM their converts to quite that extent. If Jake was the N1 convert, I think itā€™s most likely the case that their scum partner is fairly new.

Itā€™s not the push thatā€™s making you suspicious, itā€™s how you carried out the push. Also, newbie teammates are a thing that exists.

I donIf Jake is Cult that basically spews (am I using this right?) SirDerps as not on the same scumteam, I donā€™t think Derps would hardbuss him this early.

This is basically an OMGUS vote.

Basically makes sense as a night action (but see analysis below).

Cool. Doing that right now. The fact that you think itā€™s unfair for people to accuse you without a full Iso is one of the things I think is scummy, to be honest.

Choice quote from the Jgos Iso. Iā€™m really buying Jgos/Jake as a scumteam here, to be honest.

This does display a lack of survivalism, but at the same time it could be WifoM to make us question whether or not thereā€™s survivalism at all.

So do you think Kyo was Cult and jailed, or do you think Kyo was a Cultist who suicided at the same time as an entirely different Cultist was jailed? Because you claim to have guarded them (see above). Iā€™m really not liking this post.

This is directed at Derps. Clearly intended to convince Derps that itā€™s the case. Seems like another scummy post.

Jakeā€™s Iso of Marshal. Despite calling Marshal out repeatedly for flip-flopping (which, to be clear, he wasnā€™t actually doing, Jake was misinterpreting his posts) he puts Marshal as a townlean without really explaining why. Jake/Marshal might be looking into as a possibility?

I know we make jokes about wallposts = locktown, but this is just ridiculous. I could sort of understand it if they were trying to say Marshal is a better push, but they have Marshal as a townlean.

Soulshade Iso + followup. It could be WifoM at this point, but I doubt Soul and Jake are on the same scumteam.

Yeah, no. This is not a post that comes from a BD member in 95 percent of cases. ā€˜If I flip anything other than Physician I was disguisedā€™ flips Mastermind with no logs. Itā€™s preemptive defense against a Cult flip, which you nearly only see from Cultists.

So, to conclude, Jakeā€™s risen to one of my top scumreads at this point. I will note that I was already scumreading him before doing the Iso, and that might somewhat be clouding my judgment here and causing me to see things as scummy when I wouldnā€™t, but that last post, for all macroreads tend to be more accurate, is just too scummy for me to ever see this as BD.

@Teleology pinging you since you asked for it in particular.

/vote Jake @Solic @Geyde Based on votecounts, this should be okay and not quickhammery.

You were the one who insulted me first.

I honestly canā€™t tell if this is a bullshit excuse to combat my catch of his slip, or he genuinely means this.

I donā€™t think Marshal is scum, but if Luxy is scum then Vulgard has to be scum because Vul said he had info that cleared Luxy. I have been TRing Vul lately oddly enoughā€¦ because he generally is trying to make town progress it feels like. So because of this, I also think Vul and Luxy are both town from my PoV.

Unofficial classes are always played unless otherwise specified.

Without explanation, here it is:

To tide you over in the meantime:

  1. Marshal - Scum
  2. SoulShade55r - Null
  3. Alice - Slight Town
  4. Datbird - Null
  5. JakeTheWolfie - Slight Scum
  6. Kai_5 - Scum
  7. Napoleon - Slight Town
  8. Arete - Slight Scum
  9. Luxy - Slight Scum
  10. SirDerpsAlot - Slight Town
  11. Italy - Null
  12. WazzaAzza - Null
  13. Jgoesgaming - Scum
  14. Vulgard - Slight Scum
  15. Centuries - Slight Town
  16. Teleology - Town
  17. Magnus - Null
  18. H_Hja - Null

I apologize. When do you think I slipped? What did I say that you interpreted as a slip?

If Iā€™m scum Italy basically has to also be scum, unless either (a) I was just converted last night or (b) I have a Ritualist.