SFoL 58 Balance Talk Thread Revamped

[KyoDaz]

@Queen_Alfa

The Maid

Blue Dragon Investigative
Change Sheets (Day) - Target two corpses. At the end of the night, learn if they were killed by the same player. - 2 uses
Rumor (Day) - Target player will be “last checked” in regards to Matchmake. Cannot be used day 1. - 2 Uses.
Matchmake (Night) - Test if target is compatible with the player you last checked. - Infinite Uses
Your objective is to defeat the Unseen or Cult, and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Original BD Maid (considered weak… it is)

@Queen_Alfa

The Handmaiden

Unseen Investigative
Search Room (Day) - At the end of the night, learn if a flip has been tampered with and by which class. - 2 uses.
Matchmake (Night) - Check 2 players to see if they’re the same class type. Learn their exact class if it matches. - Infinite uses
Prying Servants (Night) - Target a dead player. You will learn all the players that visited them on the night they died. Does not count as visiting. - 2 uses
Your objective is to defeat the Blue Dragon and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Original Unseen Maid (weak, but if it was BD it’d be OP.)

@Maxwell

The Handmaiden

Unseen Investigative
Matchmake (Night) - Test of target player is compatible with your previous target. - Infinite Uses
Prying Servants (Night) - Target a living player and dead player. You will learn if the living player visited the dead player on the night they died. Does not count as visiting. Will not see non-visiting abilities. - 3 uses
Defeat the Blue Dragon or Hand of Byzantium and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

New maid

[KyoDaz]

I’ll rewrite the class.

[Vulgard]

@KyoDaz

Three passives, perhaps merge Isolation and Retribution? Don’t think it’s possible to have three though I do admit it looks nicer.

Loner’s Retribution (Passive) - You are occupation and redirection immune. If you are lynched, you will kill your first accuser in broad daylight before you are lynched.

[KyoDaz]

Be prepared. Wild ideas are my thing, not balanced ones.

[Maxwell]

The Handmaiden

Unseen Investigative
Matchmake (Night) - Test of target player is compatible with your previous target. - Infinite Uses
Prying Servants (Night) - Target a living player and dead player. You will learn if the living player visited the dead player on the night they died. Does not count as visiting. Will not see non-visiting abilities. - 3 uses
Defeat the Blue Dragon or Hand of Byzantium and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

[Vulgard]

The Handmaiden

Unseen Investigative
Change Sheets (Day) - Target two dead players. At the end of the night, you will learn if they were killed by the same player. (2 uses)
Rumor (Day) - You cannot use this ability on day 1. Make a player “last checked” in regards to Matchmake. (2 uses)
Matchmake (Night) - Test if a player is compatible with the player you last checked.
Prying Servants (Night) - Choose a living player and a dead player. At the end of the night, you will learn if the living player visited the dead player on the night they died. (3 uses)
Defeat the Blue Dragon or Hand of Byzantium and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

I don’t think the clause ‘will not see non-visiting abilities’ is necessary, since you already specify that you will learn if the living player visited the dead player.

Does this look good?

[KyoDaz]

Rumour (Day) If your matchmake is successful, learn what the players have in common. - 2 uses.

Matchmake (Night) - Select two players. You will learn if they have something in common. - Infinite uses

Common Occurances
These apply even if it is temporary provided that the effect is in place during the matchmake.

Occupation & Redirection immunity
Class Type
Royal Blood

[KyoDaz]

We need to build on the common occurances, this is just a concept

[Vulgard]

I feel like Maid needs a buff now. Socialite is fine because she has additional passives and day abilities.

[Maxwell]

pls help

[Geyde]

@Maxwell

The Electromancer

Neutral Killer
Static Shield (Passive) - You are immune to death at night.
Discharge (Day) - If you are still alive at the end of the night, all charged players will be killed (Bypasses death immunity). - Infinite uses, 2 day cooldown
Charge (Night) - Apply a static charge to a player. Anyone they visit tonight will also become charged, and you will know who they are. You cannot charge yourself. - Infinite uses
Your objective is to make it to the last five players alive.

I’d remove this
Electro was historically extremely underpowered

[KyoDaz]

The Handmaiden

Unseen Investigative
Change Sheets (Day) - Target a dead player. At the end of the night, you will learn all feedback that the player received on the night they died. - 2 uses
Rumour (Day) If your matchmake is successful, learn what the players have in common. - 2 uses.
Matchmake (Night) - Select two players. You will learn if they have something in common. - Infinite uses
Your objective is to defeat the Blue Dragon and any neutrals that seek to do you harm.

Common Occurances
These apply even if it is temporary provided that the effect is in place during the matchmake.

Occupation & Redirection immunity
Class Type
Royal Blood
Faction

[Maxwell]

maybe yeah

[Maxwell]

no exp with that stuff so i’ll take your word on it. It’s gone

[KyoDaz]

Remove pretender add queen

[Geyde]

@Maxwell

The Fool

Neutral Social
Mask of Many Faces (Passive) - If you are executed by the court, you may appear as a class of your choice. You must submit this class to the host before you are executed. You may choose the class at any time and change it at will.
Trickery (Passive) - Immune to being occupied at night. Additionally, the night after your execution, all players who voted to execute you will be redirected to visit themselves.
Hide (Day) - You will be immune to death tonight. - 2 uses
Costume Examination (Day) - Learn the faction of the player you Masquerade as at the end of the night, if you use it. This ability is affected by framing, unlike Masquerade. - 2 uses
Masquerade (Night) - Appear as the class, faction and type of your target to investigations tonight. Abilities that change the apparent class of your target will not affect Masquerade. Additionally, if you die tonight you will also appear as the class. You will not know the class of your target. - Infinite uses
Your objective is to be executed for treason.

Do you want execute fool to exist?

[Maxwell]

should i get rid of it

[Maxwell]

idk. have no experience with that one either

[Maxwell]

i literally just copied all the neuts from RotBD III and HoB III
+added reaper and sorc from FoL 23

[KyoDaz]

My class that should DEFINITELY be added and is not broken

The Queen

Neutral Support
Queen Consort (Passive) - During elections for a new King, votes count for you twice. If a King election fails or you become King, you will become the Reagant Queen. You are considered royalty.
Shared Quarters (Passive) - You are death immune whenever the King is.
Royal Influence (Day Ability) - If the King uses Grand Trial today, all royal’s votes for guilty or innocent will be doubled. - 2 uses
Donation (Night Ability) - Refund a limited use ability to another player. - 2 uses
Enact Policy (Night Ability) - If there is to be a King election tomorrow, only royals may be elected to the throne. The court is not aware of this. - 1 use

Survive to see the King’s faction win.

The Reagent Queen

Neutral Special
Line of Succession (Passive) - No more Kings can be elected upon your death.
Last Head of State (Passive) - Your vote counts as two. Immune to occupation and redirection. Your abilities do not count as visits.
Grand Trial (Day) - Instantly put a player on trial for treason lasting up to 24 hours possibly extending day. They may provide a defense within 12 hours, and then the players alive may either vote to execute or pardon. If a majority of players vote to execute, the day will end and the player on trial will be lynched. Otherwise, the day will continue as normal. - 1 use
Guards! (Night Ability) - Become death immune for the night. - 2 uses
Blame Treachery (Night Ability) - Send a guard to execute a player. Only usable on players who voted to execute or attack the previous King. Disables usage of Grand Trial tomorrow. - 2 uses

Survive to see the previous King’s faction win.